Zubereitung von Eiweiss-shakes

[Mustika]

Hey leute, ich hab so ne packung proteinshake-pulver, das selbe was auch in fitness studios verwendet wird. Irgendwie schmecken die aber im fitness studio um einiges geiler als meine Ich habs schon mit milch und wasser versucht, aber schmecht einfach beschissen. Weiss einer wie man die am leckersten vorbereitet??

[Ichigeki]

Ich denke mal die schmecken einfach mal bescheiden. Dass sie im FS besser schmecken ist wohl klar, die Shakes sollen schliesslich an den Mann gebracht werden. Was du machen kannst ist z.B. Erdbeeren o.ä. drunter mischen.

[Bill]

Zitat von Mustika Hey leute, ich hab so ne packung proteinshake-pulver, das selbe was auch in fitness studios verwendet wird. Irgendwie schmecken die aber im fitness studio um einiges geiler als meine Ich habs schon mit milch und wasser versucht, aber schmecht einfach beschissen. Weiss einer wie man die am leckersten vorbereitet??

Versuchs mal mit Vanilleschoten, Zimt oder Honig. Ich mische auch mit frisch gepressten Säften.

[Asgard]

ích hab im Supermarkt Sojamilch mit Vanille,Erbeer oder Schokogeschmack (der Liter 1,79) entdeckt, da misch ich das Zeug rein...schmeckt besser und Kuhmilch is eh nicht gesund (Kälber trinken Milch - Kühe Wasser)

[Ichigeki]

Zitat von Asgard Kuhmilch is eh nicht gesund

Wirklich krank sind alle die Milch trinken aber auch nicht.. Also kannst du das mal vernachlässigen. Alkohl, Fastfood, Schokolade etc. sind wesentlich ungesünder..

[BonsaiRambo]

Sojamilch macht impotent und dumm. Belegt durch empirische Studien....s.a. Veganer

[psylo]

Zitat von BonsaiRambo Sojamilch macht impotent und dumm. Belegt durch empirische Studien....s.a. Veganer

so ein schwachsinn!

sojamilch ist sehr gesund und umso einiges bekömmlicher als normale kuh-milch.
das man davon "dumm oder impotent" werden kann ist das dümmste was ich je gehört habe. kenne zudem auch recht viele ( u. a. auch veganer, die NICht dumm sind).. aber vielleicht hat bei Dir ja die sojamilch solche effekte hervorgerufen

[Miyagi]

Hm, vielleicht sollte man sowas wie Ironie Tags einführen, damit auch wirklich jeder weiss, was ernst gemeint ist und was nicht

[Ichigeki]

Ironie?

[BonsaiRambo]

Soy-Dementia in Men


August 9, 2003 - Ian Williams Goddard

In April 2000, Lon White and others reported a dose-dependent positive correlation between tofu consumption and brain atrophy in a large sample of men over several decades. [1] While correlation does not prove causation, study size and duration along with the robust dose-dependent relationship caused me, even as a vegetarian, to avoid tofu and other soy products.

Correlation-based hypotheses should be tested against the availability of possible causal mechanisms. In addition to possible causal mechanisms previously cited by this author, [2] recent findings significantly increase the case for a causal mechanism of soy-induced brain atrophy.


Atrophic Pharmacology Indicated

Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) facilitates the survival and genesis of brain cells. [3,4] The neuroprotective effects of caloric restriction are attributed in part to increased BDNF. [5] On the other hand, reduced BDNF is known to cause brain-cell atrophy and is associated with Alzheimer’s disease. [6,7] Now, a study in "Neuroscience Letters" reports that soy significantly reduced BDNF in the hippocampus and cerebral cortex of male rats. [8] Since reduced BDNF can cause neural atrophy, these findings appear to provide compelling evidence for a causal mechanism that might explain the positive correlation between tofu (soy) consumption and brain atrophy reported by White et al. [1]


Bad For Boys, Good For Girls?

While soy appears to reduce BDNF in male rats, it has also been shown to increase BDNF in female rats. [9] In fact, soy appears to affect neurological parameters in a sex-defined fashion wherein females benefit and males suffer. [10-13] There is little doubt among researchers that this is because soy is high in phytoestrogens, which are plant-derived substances that act like the female hormone estrogen.

However, that sex-defined difference fails to explain the findings regarding the wives of male subjects in White et al., who reported: "A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband’s answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife’s consumption." [1] White et al. proposed that long-term consumption of weaker soy estrogens may displace the body’s own stronger estrogen along with its benefits.


Evidence Against Soy-Dementia Hypothesis?

A possible signal contrary to a soy-dementia link is the low prevalence of dementia [14] and high consumption of soy in Okinawa, Japan. [15] However, that negative correlation, like any correlation, does not prove causation. For example, perhaps soy does cause dementia but other factors in Okinawa offset the effect.

Also, White et al. explored correlations of a range of foods to neurological parameters, whereas this Okinawa analysis is a sweeping generalization of only tofu to all of Okinawa. In other words, it stands to reason that the study by White et al. finding a positive tofu-dementia correlation has the greater likelihood of providing the more accurate picture. Nevertheless, in my view this Okinawa data warrants further examination as a possible route to falsifying the soy-dementia hypotheses.

In closing, the findings of soy-induced BDNF reduction in male rat brain regions that are central to the onset of dementia, in addition to previous findings, [2] appear to provide compelling evidence of a possible causal mechanism that might explain the soy-dementia correlation reported by White et al. [1] Obviously further research is necessary before a clear picture emerges regarding the effects of long-term soy consumption on the brain. But in the meantime, my inclination is to play it safe and avoid soy.


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Referenzen:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract



http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/202...y_feature.html

[BonsaiRambo]

How does soy affect fertility?
Soy and Estrogen
Soy is an excellent source of protein and the female reproductive hormone estrogen. Soy foods contain phytoestrogens, literally meaning plant-derived estrogen. The type of phytoestrogen in soy is known as isoflavones. These isoflavones come in different forms and have different effects. Some may function similarly to estrogens in the body, producing a very weak effect compared to the real hormone. And others act as antiestrogens, to reduce the activity of estrogen. Evidence is growing that these phytoestrogens may help with menopausal symptoms, as well as inhibits cancer cell growth.

Soy and its Effect on Fertility
There are not many studies done in this field, however some reports suggest that in countries where soy products are consumed in large amounts, the birth rate is no lower than in countries where soy is not routinely consumed.

A few studies suggest that high levels of soy protein may decrease fertility. According to a report in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition a small number of studies have shown that high levels of soy can increase menstrual cycle length, decrease FSH (follicle-stimulating hormone) and decrease LH (leutinizing hormone). But we must note that the high levels of soy generating this effect are equivalent to drinking three 12-ounce glasses of soy milk (60 g soy protein equivalent to 45 mg of isoflavones) for a month. However, normally most people do not consume this much soy.

The American Family Physician magazine stated that up to one-quarter of women with fertility problems may be helped by dietary changes. The researchers state that, since the phytoestrogens in soy products increase the length of the follicular phase and lead to fewer menstrual cycles over a woman's lifetime, it is possible that soy may decrease fertility in some women. But they also add here that women with multiple risk factors for infertility may be more sensitive to soy than others.

Some studies on various animal species have also indicated that eating high levels of phytoestrogens from soy can have adverse effects on fertility. But there is no current data to suggest that consumption of phytoestrogens at the levels normally encountered in the diet of animals in these tests or humans in general are likely to be harmful.

A more recent review reported in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition sates that reproductive and developmental toxicity studies did not find significant variations in fertility from soy phytoestrogens consumption in healthy couples, indicating that normal intake of soy is basically harmless to your fertility and hence your chances of becoming pregnant or maintaining a pregnancy.

If for any reason you are experiencing fertility problems, it certainly is a good idea to limit soy in your diet to rule out any possibilities of its effect on your fertility. Since it's the protein portion of soy that contains the phytoestrogens, you should try to avoid tofu, soy milk, tempeh, TVP and soy nuts. Soy sauce does not contain phytoestrogens, and so you can continue using this to flavor foods. As with any food, it is wise not to overconsume. Eating soy in moderation allows you to avoid any potential harm due to overconsumption, as well as leaves more scope for a variety in your diet which helps you are to get all the important nutrients that your body needs.

[BonsaiRambo]

Die genannten Studien zeigen auf, dass Soja Protein und Soja Produkte aufgrund der enthaltenden Phytoöstrogene:

1. Die Gehirnalterung verstärken und die neuronale Kapazität verrringern. Es wird worwörtlich von einer Gehirn Athrophie gesprochen !

2. Den Testosteron Spiegel negativ beeinflusst! Der LH und FSH Spiegel inkt beim Mann !

3. Die Fruchtbarkeit negativ beeinflußt !


Weitere Studien sind bei PubMed einzusehen.

[Franz]

hatten wir bereits bei dem Thread bzgl. Soja als Eiweißersatz für die tierichen Produkte

->nebenbei Hipfen ist ebenfalls ein Phytoöstrogen und senkt das Testosteron sodass der Bierbauch nicht alleine auf die Kohlenhydrate zurückzuführen ist!

[BonsaiRambo]

Deshalb sagte ich ja auch "s.a. Vegetarier ".

Hopfen ist ebenso ein Phytoöstrogen wie Soja Isoflavone.

Könnte mein Kommentar zu Soja eigentlich noch weiter auszführen.


Es macht. Dumm. Impotent. Fett.

[Mustika]

aehh jetzt macht mir soy etwas angst *g was gibts denn sonst noch für mix möglcihkeiten und was für frisch gepresse säfte sind gemeint?? Ich hab son vanille pulver ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass das mit apfelsaft schmeckt