Interessantes Statement von Pat Strong zum Thema Bruce Lee & Wing Chun

[Andreas Mertsch]

"Mmmmmmmmmmm.... just trying to remember when Bruce ever taught Wing Chun. Huh, I remember... he didn't. He kept that for himself, entirely. He did teach a few parts of Wing Chun --- sil lum tao, straight punching, chi sao -- a few small pieces of Chum Kil and Bil Gee, very small pieces. He taught CenterLine Theory, but not the stance and movement to support it at a high level. The rest was a mix, plus his own ideas. He gave a name to his methodology -- Jun Fan Gung Fu. And it was no where near Wing Chun. But..... Bruce, himself, had built his nervous system and inner structure from Wing Chun, but also other arts to include Tai Chi and the several other systems he studied briefly. His Jun Fan was an amalgamation.

In 1965, he started making strong adaptions based on what he saw in a young boxer, Cassius Clay (Muhammed Ali). In 1965, he announced at dinner one evening (Tai Tung Restaurant) to Taky, myself, and a few others that he had a new name, Jeet Kune Do. Already, the stance had changed somewhat, with slight modifications to come. In the next year, the full change occured. And what was the change? Let's see.. the hand positions and elbow changed, but with the same body structure to allow strong structure and the ability to hold Centerline and still use lin sil dar without over rotating. The rear heel raised to permit better mobility, but with the mobility came loss of strong structure. But no problem, all Bruce had to do was drop the heel and he was back into the Jun Fan stance. For that matter, the changed position of the JKD hands put great risk to structure, but then that could be corrected on the fly by just moving the rear hand two inches while very slighly flaring the upper back for power. The beauty in the new JKD stance was that it offered some strong advantages and, at the same time, could compensate for its weakness -- in a flash -- by adjusting into Jun Fan mechanical advantages and structure. It was really beautiful.
Now what Bruce so different from everyone else was that he had built an inner structure based on strong Mechanical Advantages born of the Wing Chun platform, which was diametrically opponsed to most every other martial art. For instance, Bruce was able to exert tremendous force off very short movement. At his 130-ish pounds, he could out strength and outforce men much larger than himself and with little effort. He was able to do this by using the Soft Power from Taoism coupled with the sensitivity and structure learned from his Wing Chun.
HIs body was unitized in a way to maintain full body power when moving -- something virtually lost in today's JKD. As a strong follower of Taoist tenets, he was able to combine their philosophy of "the not doing," or "letting it happen," and "the soft and invisible power," through the contact sensitivity of chi sao. He called these combined tenets, Non-intention. Again, something virtually lost in today's JKD, with the exception of what Tim Tackett and Bob Bremer are teaching, as the Hammer Principle, which is an application of the Non-intention.

So then, what is the importance of Wing Chun --- , other than to give someone the opportunity develop some of the attributes possessed by Bruce, so that they too, can deliver the amazing and incredible power, speed, senstivity and continuity in movement that he enjoyed. At least, not in the same way."

"I forgot to mention, Bruce moved the Center of Gravity forward from the original stance. For pressing and holding power when dropping the heel, naturally the center of gravity shifted to the back foot. One of the really brilliant things about the new stance was in the way that it afforded the ability of a fighter to close fast even from an absurdly long distance before an opponent could react. This amazing close depended on the forward center of gravity aided by a piece of footwork that rates as a Mechanical Advantage" - Pat Strong

Quelle: http://pauljbax.forumco.com/topic~TO...hichpage~3.asp

[Old Fist]

Patrick Strong, ist das nicht der, der immer die Sporttasche von Bruce getragen hat als er noch klein war? )


Gruß

[Gin Lai]

Spielverderber!

Gruß,
Michael

[Old Fist]

Zitat von Gin Lai Spielverderber! Gruß, Michael

Erster alles!

Gruß, M

[JunFan]

Interessant! soweit ich ihn verstanden habe! Aber nichts unbekanntes, oder?

Soweit ich den text mit meinen englisch kenntnissen verstanden habe!


Gruß

Pascal

[John1974]

Ich dachte die Name Jeet Kune Do ist erst Spaeter entstanden...so in '67 oder'68...so hab ich das mal irgendwo gelesen.

J.

[JunFan]

Zitat von John1974 Ich dachte die Name Jeet Kune Do ist erst Spaeter entstanden...so in '67 oder'68...so hab ich das mal irgendwo gelesen. J.

stimmt! Dachte ich auch?

[Gin Lai]

Zitat von John1974 Ich dachte die Name Jeet Kune Do ist erst Spaeter entstanden...so in '67 oder'68...so hab ich das mal irgendwo gelesen. J.

"I´m having a gung fu system drawn up - this system is a combination of chiefly Wing Chun, fencing and boxing.
As for training, I have other ways of training.
I´ll have them written down when it is finished.
Boy, it will be IT!"

Auszug aus einem Brief von Bruce Lee an James Yimm Lee, geschrieben am 31. Juli 1965.

Der erste schriftlich festgehaltene Hinweis auf den Begriff "Jeet Kune Do" erscheint unter dem Begriff "The Stopping Fist Way" am 8. Januar 1967 als (in Chinesischer Schrift verfasster) Eintrag in Bruce Lee´s Daytimer.

Gruß,
Michael

[Andreas Mertsch]

Es sieht so aus, als würden die meisten aus dem JKD-Lager das unterrichtete Jun Fan für eine Verbesserung oder Weiterentwicklung (/auf der Basis) des Wing Chun-Systems halten. Das sieht Pat Strong offenbar anders. Ich verstehe Strong so, dass auch er zwischen Wing Chun und den auf der Grundlage des Wing Chuns und anderen Systemen entwickelten persönlichen Stils von Bruce Lee auf der einen Seite und dessen unterrichtete Methoden auf der anderen Seite unterscheidet. Eine interessante Sichtweise, daher hier zitiert...

Dies gibt lediglich eine bestimmte Meinung wieder und soll JKD in keiner Weise herabsetzen.

Grüße