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A.M.
03-08-2003, 22:41
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"Hello Everyone!

Jun Fan Gung Fu was the art that Bruce Lee taught in the Seattle, Washington kwoon, where he was assisted by Taky Kimura. Jun Fan Gung Fu consists primarily of Wing Chun Gung Fu (probably about 85%-90%) with a few elements from other gung fu systems (10%-15%). Bruce Lee spent five years in Hong Kong learning the Wing Chun system from some of it's best fighters! He chose Wing Chun because of it's raw street effectiveness!

During the Oakland period, Bruce Lee had an encounter with another Chinese martial artist, Wong Jak Man, of the My Jong Law Horn Kuen system of gung fu. Although Bruce Lee won the fight, he was unusually tired and winded when it was over! He felt that it had taken him much too long to get the better of his challenger! This was due to a failure on his part to immediately adjust to the methods of his opponent! This caused him to take more of an interest in physical fitness, as well as closely re examine his art of Jun Fan Gung Fu. He decided that he needed more versatility in his tools and his footwork needed to change to favor more mobility. During this time he composed a letter, saying that he was inventing a new system of fighting that would consist of Wing Chun gung fu, boxing and fencing. This new system was Jeet Kune Do, the "Way of The Intercepting Fist".

During the L. A. Chinatown period, Jeet Kune Do continued to develop. YES, there was a definite curriculum, and YES, the students were required to learn certain things! The kwoon was still called the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute, but in Dan Inosanto's own words, what was being taught was Jeet Kune Do! Back then, there was no such thing as Jeet Kune Do "concepts", nor did Bruce Lee himself ever use the term "concepts" to describe his method of fighting! All terminology used in Jeet Kune Do was Chinese in Bruce Lee's lifetime, and the instructor was referred to as Sifu!

There is much talk today about Bruce Lee researching other methods of combat. Contrary to a popular way of thinking these days, he was not looking for things to add to his method. He was looking at other arts so that he could develop counters against their best techniques using his Jeet Kune Do! He was well known for using certain students with particular attributes to bring out his own attributes and abilities. He did not care much for teaching, but instead preferred to train himself to higher skill levels!

Much of his writing was geared toward trying to free other martial artists from the bondage and set patterns of what they were "locked" into! The famous "Liberate Yourself From Classical Karate" article was re-written about a dozen or so times before he finally arrived at the version that appeared in the magazine. I have that original magazine! I walked into the newsstand the day it came out and bought it! So as you can see, I've had plenty of time to read, re-read and read it again! I know what it means, and I know exactly where Bruce Lee was coming from with what he was saying! It has become painfully obvious to me that most people still don't have a clue!

One thing that most people fail to realize is that most of the things that have been published as Bruce Lee's writings are actually just notes that he took from various other publications. This has recently been proven, and has been brought into the light by a book that was written by my good friend Mr. James Bishop! Many people have been shocked when they found out just how much of the material published as Bruce Lee's writings were not actually his at all, but notes taken from other sources! The stuff that has been published as his writings was never intended for publication! Too many people take things out of context based on the importance they place on certain writings! Most of these people are going to feel like idiots when they find all of this out! Most of what was in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do would have never been published had Bruce Lee lived! IT WAS HIS NOTES! NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!

That's why I get so sick and tired of reading all of this philosophical stuff posted on the forums by so many people to try and back up their horribly mis-conceived notions as to what Jeet Kune Do is! Jeet Kune Do is a highly scientific method of self defense, based on highly effective, solid scientific principles that will remain constant from now until the end of time! There is a JKD way to stand (the bai jong position), there is specific JKD footwork and there are specific JKD techniques (punching, striking, kicking, defending, trapping). There is a specific progression to the training! The bottom line is, IF YOU ARE NOT DOING THESE THINGS, THEN YOU ARE NOT DOING JEET KUNE DO! It's just that simple!


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Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Certified Full Instructor
JUN FAN GUNG FU/JEET KUNE DO
http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
Sifu@HardcoreJKD.com"

Quelle: http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=21606&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

JKD-Christian
06-08-2003, 18:53
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II ist einer der großen Traditionalisten des JKD und ich habe vollsten Respekt vor ihm. Doch was seinesgleichen nicht einsehen will ist die Tatsache, dass letztendlich nur Meinungen über bleiben.

"Meine Technik ist vielleicht ungeeignet für Dich!" - das ist meines Erachtens JKD oder mit den Worten Bruce Lee´s: " The truth in combat is different for each individual!".

Nehmen wir zB die "bai jong position" her. Ist sie wirklich für jeden der Weisheit letzter Schluss. Betrachten wir Vollkontaktsportarten - wie zB Boxen - so sehen wir hier schon eine Menge individuelles. Aber gehen wir noch weiter: Was, wenn einer vielleicht extrem Kleinwüchsig ist, vielleicht einen Arm nicht richtig bewegen kann oder ein zerschmettertes Knie von einem vorangegangenen Motorradunfall hat?

Zwingen wir ihm die "bai jong position" auf, dann verlassen wir den Pfad des JKD mit Sicherheit.

USE NO WAY AS WAY. Das ist der Satz der große Beachtung finden sollte.

Wobei die Schattenseite mir durchaus bewusst ist: JKD kann nicht irgendetwas sein. Dann wäre jeder Einzelne ein JKD-Full Instructor. Aber kommt es darauf wirklich an? JKD ist ein Weg und kein Ziel und wenn ich interessiert bin, dieses Ziel zu finden, dann werde ich sehr schnell jene Leute ausselektieren können, die nur so tun, als würden sie sich auf dem JKD-Pfad befinden.

A.M.
06-08-2003, 21:19
Hallo Christian,

danke für Dein Feedback. Nun, diesen Text fand ich lediglich interessant. Da er zur Diskussion anregt, erfüllt er auf diesem Board einen guten Zweck. Knock down-Argumente scheint es nicht zu geben...

viele Grüße,
Andreas

Jun Fan JKD Ahrweiler
07-08-2003, 10:34
Der Text ist gut, ist er aus seinem "neuen" Buch?
Nach meinem Verständnis ist JKD ein Weg, der mehrere Phasen hat.
partiality - fluidity - emptiness

Am Anfang lernt man formale Techniken ("Jun Fan"), zu denen auch der bai jong stance gehört.
Wenn man diese "einzeln" beherrscht, kann man sich langsam Kampfbedingungen annähern. Man kommt von den Bruchstücken zu einem fliessenden Ganzen.
Die letzte Stufe, oder "Emptiness" ist genau diese Stufe, wo Du Dein eigener Meister bist, weil Du aufgrund Deines Trainings und Deiner Erfahrung in der Lage bist instinktiv zu reagieren.
Natürlich gibt es einen JKD-Weg zu kämpfen, nur ist man nicht zwangsläufig unbedingt an diesen gebunden, man kämpft auch nicht mehr "formal" in bai jong.
Allerdings muss man die Reihenfolge schon wahren und erst lernen und dann freelancen, erst freelancen ist nämlich einfachnur unkoordiniertes, effektloses Rumgehampel, auch wenn viele die keine Disziplin haben zu lernen und sich zu verbessern und Bewegungen etliche tausende male zu wiederholen, meinen das wäre dann die "philosophische" Umsetzung von Jeet Kune Do, obwohl es nur Unsinn ist.

Bob Dubljanin
07-08-2003, 12:45
Möchte mich jfjkdhry anschliessen.

-learn the principle
-follow the principle
-dissolve the principle

Das entscheidende Kriterium um Lerninhalte aufzulösen und hinter sich zu lassen sollte die persönliche Erfahrung damit sein, hoffentlich nichts anderes :)

Genau so unfruchtbar finde ich aber eine Kristalliesierung von BL 1967 oder 1971 Trainingsplan und dies als "die" einzige Wahrheit anzusehen.

Beides stellen extreme Standpunkte dar, der Weg sollte irgendwo dazwischen liegen...

Grüsse,

Bob Dubljanin
www.soai.de