Tip für Geschichtsfreunde:
The Dragon and the Tiger: The Birth of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, the Oakland Years (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1583940898/qid=1068918673/sr=2-1/ref=sr_aps_prod_1_1/028-1987984-6191728)
Habe erst ca. ein Fünftel des Buches gelesen, aber allein der Abschnitt über Bruce Lees Training bei Praying Mantis-Sifu Gin Foon Mark in New York könnte bei Wing Chun-Freunden einen Anflug von Ungläubigkeit hervorrufen, diese zumindest in Erstaunen versetzen. Die genauen Quellen würden mich hier interessieren...
Grüße,
Andreas
Erzähl doch mal bischen über den Abschnitt
Erzähl doch mal bischen über den Abschnitt
Hallo Leute hier einige Auszüge aus Mantis-Seiten. Fotos von Sifu Gin Foon Mark sind auch dabei.
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Einige Bilder, Videoclips und Textpassagen werden manche Erinnerungen wach rufen.
http://www.traditionalmantisboxing.com/id17.htm
The Southern style of praying mantis is not as widely spread or as popularised when compared to its Northern counterpart. It is considered a more secretive and difficult style to learn. It was developed by the Hakka Chinese when the need for self defence was important. The style of Southern Mantis is not tied to one type of technique, as there are many controlling and trapping manoeuvres. The mantis hook is used aswell as a preferred mantis fist. The stances are low and more firmly set to the ground, high kicks are not used. Instead there is large use of low powerful kicks, knees, and elbows. The style is potentially lethal as everything is designed for 100% power. There is a concentration on the Ying/Yang philosophy and practitioners are skilled in death/destruction techniques (Dim-Mak) aswell as arts of healing. Chu Gar, Chow Gar and Bamboo Forest Temple are three schools that have developed and each share much in common.
Auf den Seiten kann man sich auch über Mantis Chy Sau, Fußarbeit usw. infomieren.
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Man könnte fast bahaupten, Jesse läßt grüßen (bitte nicht gleich ausflippen).
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Wer Lust hat kann sich den Rest auch noch heraussuchen. Außerdem ist auch noch folgender Text auf den Seiten zu sehen. Davon kann man allerdings halten was man will.
Chow Gar Mantis vs Wing Chun
Wong Shun Leung Visits Ip Sui's Kwoon
Before I begin this story, I want to make it clear that this is in no way intended to put Chow Gar Mantis up as superior to the Wing Chun system, and no offence is intended to any Wing Chun player. This is simply a legend related to me by my Sifu. This legend is, in a way, a tribute to the late Wing Chun Master, best known as Bruce Lee's Sifu in the early years. I say tribute because it depicts Sifu Leung in a situation where he found himself often. And on a personal note, my first ever Sifu, who taught me Wing Chun Chuan, trained under Sifu Wong Shun Leung in Australia for some time, so I suppose in a way he was my first SiGong.
Everyone who knows anything about Sifu Wong Shun Leung knows that he loved to fight. It was this fact that first brought him to the school of the late Wing Chun Grandmaster, Yip Man. On crossing hands with Yip Man, he very quickly realised that he was no match for the Grandmaster, and asked if he would take him as his student. It would appear that this 'fighting spirit' never really dwindled as Wong Shun Leung progressed in his training, as one day, he appeared at the school of Grandmaster Ip Sui...
He had come to cross hands with the Grandmaster, which is probably bordering on the disrespectful. Even so, you have to admire his spirit. Grandmaster Ip Sui, who was teaching a class at the time, turned down the request, but suggested a contest between the curious student, and one of his own students, Mr Choy Su Wing.
The Southern Mantis system is ideal for those with a long, slender physique, just like the characteristics of the mantis itself. It also places great emphasis on internal training's, to generate strength and power. Choy Su Wing is tall, but very powerful. Both students faced off, and Wong Shun Leung charged in.
In the blink of an eye, Mr Choy used the powerful 'Cum La' seizing hand technique, grabbing Wong Shun by the throat and the arm. From many years of training the Mantis Clawing technique his hands and arms were as solid as iron bars. Try as he might, and the story goes that he put up a hell of a fight, Wong Shun was unable to remove them. Mr Choy's arms were too long to enable Wong Shun to put a kick in - Mr Choy walked him into the corner by his throat, and held him there. At once, he released his arm and raised his hand to drop the devastating Gow Choi (Tiger comes down the mountain) hammer hand technique upon his head.
Gow choi is an extremely serious technique to use - Grandmaster Ip Sui, who had been watching this turn of events closely, moved quickly to Mr Choy's side, and as he brought his hand crashing down towards Wong Shun's head, Grandmaster slapped his arm across, so the technique missed the target.
Grandmaster broke up the session, telling Wong Shun Leung that he had seen what he had come to see, and that he should leave. Wong Shun Leung was quite lucky that day.
As an endnote, Grandmaster Ip Sui travelled to the school of Yip Man, to ask him why he had sent his student to his school to make trouble. Yip Man said that he had no involvement in this. Wong Shun Leung had made the decision to go to Ip Sui's school of his own accord...
Wong Shun Leung will always be remembered as a spirited fighter, and someone who believed in the merits of the Challenge Match. Not so much today, where, too often, Kung Fu is a game, a hobby, something to do in our spare time. We could all learn something from Sifu Leung. Kung Fu is also about having heart and the guts to put yourself on the spot.
Today, Sifu Choy Su Wing is in good health and living in Hong Kong, aged 72.
Wong Shun Leung.... 1935-1997
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Tag Q, gifs und jpegs sprechen für sich.
Da wird es bestimmt lange Gesichter geben.
NO PANIC! FLIPPE NICHT AUS. Ich weiß was du meinst. Ich habe einige Tapes von Jesse.
Über die Geschichte mit Wong kann man sich seinen Teil denken. Ich denke du solltest es im Bereich Wing Chun unterbringen. Vielleicht kannst du Barry oder Jesse dazu befragen.
Übrigens ich schrieb dir, dass du Howard Williams vergessen solltest.
Kannst du zum Thema MIKE LEE / NOVA beitragen?
Bill
Tag Q, gifs und jpegs sprechen für sich.
Da wird es bestimmt lange Gesichter geben.
NO PANIC! FLIPPE NICHT AUS. Ich weiß was du meinst. Ich habe einige Tapes von Jesse.
Über die Geschichte mit Wong kann man sich seinen Teil denken. Ich denke du solltest es im Bereich Wing Chun unterbringen. Vielleicht kannst du Barry oder Jesse dazu befragen.
Übrigens ich schrieb dir, dass du Howard Williams vergessen solltest.
Kannst du zum Thema MIKE LEE / NOVA beitragen?
Bill
Vielleicht fängst du mit einigen hundert schnellen CP an. Ugefähr alle 100/200/300 CP zehn Liegestütze. Probiere nach 12 Monaten auf 10000 CP in ca. 60 Minuten zu kommen. Drei Tage in der Woche. Zusätzlich würde ich Bank, Schrägbank und Dips versuchen. Gib Gas.
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Danke. Eile mit Weile. Nächstens kannst du dir mit der Antwort Zeit lassen.
Der Mann hat wohl das Video.
Habe mir verblüffendes über Mike erzählen lassen. Ein Barry-Schüler trainiert offenbar gelegentlich mit einem aus Mikes Linie der früher bei Rickson gewesen sein soll. Ein gesprächsbereiter MT-Boxer kennt die Beiden.
Gibt es Fortschritte mit Howard?
regards
Bill
P.S.: Warum ist dein Beitrag noch immer nicht im Wing Chun Bereich?
jkdberlin
30-11-2003, 19:22
Leicht off-Topic hier und für nicht-Eingeweihte wohl unverständlich, deswegen "closed".
Grüsse
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