Stefan Nikander JF/TWJKD Clip

[cbJKD Wilfried]

YouTube - junfanJKD/Sweden;Stefan nikander (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd24-zh5JlQ&feature=player_embedded#at=19)

gruss wilfried

[Bill]

YouTube - junfanJKD/Sweden;Stefan nikander (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd24-zh5JlQ&feature=player_embedded#at=19)

gruss wilfried

http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif Cool Vid Wil, stammt es von vor seiner Erkrankung oder war er beim Dreh (wieder) fit?

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Hi,
vermutlich davor. Weiss ich aber nicht genau.
Gehört auch nicht so hier her. Zur Zeit hat er wohl wieder damit zu tun, neue Untersuchungen etc.
Wir wünschen ihm alle das Beste

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Stefan Nikander ist an board.

Er kann Aufschluss über TWJKD/interna geben.

SteFan sagt, er hat deutsch mal in der Schule gehabt wird aber wahrscheinlich eher englisch posten müssen.

Gruß Wilfried

[stagediver]

Schöner Clip - motiviert! Danke für's posten!

Gruß
sd

[SteFanJKD]

Hello,

Ich habe nicht Deutche gesprochen Im funf und zwanzig Jahre, and that was how far I got before I did not find the words to continue writing in the official language on this Forum :(

I hope that you feel it is okey for me to write in English. The Reason I write on this Forum is to perpetuate my teachers JKD, TWJKD and at the same time help Linda and Shannon Lee perpetuate Bruce Lee's teachings of Jun Fan JKD. Ted Wong has sadly passed away and there are already people using the name TWJKD to their own benefits.

I hope to clear out who is who in the Ted Wong family, what ted wongs JKD is all about.

We have the same situation in ted Wongs JKD that we had almost 40 years ago with Bruce Lee's JKD. All of a sudden everyone who trained with Ted is his student or instructor. It is the same in Bruce Lee's JKD, people who trained at his schools consider themselves as his students though it clearly state Dan Inosanto as their Instructor on their certificates, and not BrucE Lee. This makes them Dan Inosanto students and not Bruce Lee students, doesn't it.

A new and updated official Instructors list in TWJKD is on the making and will presented soon. This will be the first step to put an end to all the fortune seakers who are now misusing TWJKD or their connection to Ted Wing for their own benefit and not for the benefit of TWJKD.

If you have any questions about either TWJKD or any subject about JKD, please feel free to ask anything.

As I understand it Jun Fan JKD has been represented in germany, but never TWJKD. I also know that you have very good instructors in the dan Inosanto Lineage of JKD. I hope that this is a beginning of a cooperation with the ted Wong Lineage of JKD. Lets leave jun fan/Bruce lee's JKD out of the discussions and simply share experiences and knowledge from our own lineage in JKD

The fact is that these two people are the only two people authoriced and certified in the art of JKD personally by Bruce Lee. I am fully aware what the history shows about different JKD lineages are trying to communicate and share knowledge. I think that the problem is that we are talking about Bruce lee's JKD, not the JKD of our own teachers in JKD, their interpretation about what they learned from Bruce Lee, their instructor.

My ambition is not to start one more Forum with this attitude, my ambition is to share my knowledge and experience in my choises in my JKD choice. I am simply offering my knowledge and experience to this Forum so that the members on this Forum get more knowledge about different JKD approaches.

I would like to end this with the german word "tschuss", but I don't have that german U with two dots or that "double s sign". The thing is, this word pronounsed sounds exactly like the word "kiss" in swedish. This is the attitude I hope we will create, "hugging and kissing", sharing our similarities and differences in JKD without any "fuss" ;)

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

Hi Stefan

Welcome to the Forum. Hope to read from you more soon.

Greetings

[Gin Lai]

Hey Stefan,
welcome on board! Hope all is well!
Just curious, who´s going to decide who is getting on the TWJKD instructor list, and who´s not?

Hälsningar,
Michael

[SteFanJKD]

Michael, you taking the time to write in swedish was a very nice gesture. Thank You.

Ted Wong was not a person who ofiicially gave out a lot of certificates, but he kept record in a small book on the status of all his students. It will be ted wongs family that has the final desicion about who is who. They have his official list and I am pretty sure that he has talked with his wife about his decisions in his JKD, I know my wife knows exactly what id going on wiithing my JKD family even though she is not active herself.

Teds wife and his children are gathering information from Teds closest students, we have a specific Forum where only the closest students of ted Wong are planning the future of TWJKD. Teds wife is part of the discussions in the Forum.

I cannot make any comments just yet about who of those who sponsored ted on seminars are considered his "closest" students. But there are some of the "big names" connected to Ted Wng that are not part of the special group trusted to plan the future of TWJKD.

I will let you all know as soon as we have an official List..

I would be very intrested in getting oppinions on the current TWJKD situation in Europe and around the world.

When you hear the name ted wong, who do you consider the "big names" and why? This will help the future of TWJKD since I can take this information with me and present it to Teds wife, his children and rest of the students of TWJKD

/SteFan

[Gin Lai]

Thanks for the clarification, Stefan!
Good to hear that Krina and the TW family are actively taking care of his legacy!

Don´t know about the actual TWJKD situation here in Europe. Up ´til now, all seems quite, and those that were close to Ted Wong are still in shock about his recent passing.
Among others, I personally know, and am buddies with Jari Nyman, Richard Torres, James ter Beek, George Sirak and Andrea Torres, but I ain´t familiar with their exact connection to Ted Wong and the TWJKD lineage. I guess that (and some other things) are going to be revealed in the near future.
Time will tell...

Best,
Michael

[SteFanJKD]

Absolutely, time will tell and uptil then we just have to wait patiently.

I think that there is no harm in me sharing my personal oppinion on what ted wongs mission was.

Ted was personally asked ny Linda to start to share his knowledge in JKD. Since Linda had chosen the name Jun fan JKD to her agenda of perpetuating JKD Ted used this name on what he was teaching.

I think that many people turned to Ted Wong for the same reasons I did. That is wanting to learn Bruce lee's JKD. But the more I studied with Ted I started to see what e was teaching as something I had never seen before.

Sure, I saw the On Guard that looked like the On Guard in Bruce Lee fighting method, but I saw details that could not be seen in most of the pictures.As the years went by I saw people still looking more for Jun fan JKD than what actually Ted was teaching.

Even today I can spot a person that I consider teaches and trains TWJKD and those who still teaches and train jun fan JKD under ted Wongs guidance

I will look through my files and see if i can find some pictures to post that illustrates the difference betw3een jun fan JKD and TWJKD

/SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

What I was looking for when started to train with ted was simply to learn JKD. Bruce Lee wrote

The root of JKD
1. On Guard
2.Footwork
3. Postures in relating force

This together with the principle of simple, direct and non -classical approach and the daily Decrease, not Daily increse principle guided me.

So what i saw set TWJKD apart from other interpretations of JKD, or Jun fan Gung Fu was his On Guard. Bruce said that "all JKD starts and ends in On Gurad", and this is the reason why the On Guard is so important in TWJKD.

So lets look at some pictures on the On Guard and go from there

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/pottpurri1-2.jpg

As we see from the picture in the left low corner it is the typical JKD On Guard used, The picture on the right corner is the evolution later in his development, when he had closed his school and worked privately with Ted

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/onguards2.jpg

Here is my own evolution with the On Guard, dating from early 1990 in karate suit while crosstraining karate with JKD Concepts. Rest of the pictures are as I am learning TWJKD.

Here are some other On Guards that is worthwhilw looking at when choosing your own JKD

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/hartsellbok1.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/paulvunakbok.jpg

Personally I have devoted a lot of time Training and studying difrent JKD approaches. I spent 4 years in JKD Concepts giving it 100% before I went into "original JKD. Here are some of my personal notes and research material on the On Giard

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/Onguardparmar.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/somejkdnotes.jpg

[angHell]

thanks for sharing your material!

I'm not a JKD-man, but interested.
Am I right that the later on guard is more broad (wide) than before?

[SteFanJKD]

Actually, it is the other way around.- I would say that this pictures illustrates the "classical way" of showing how the JKd On Guard Looks like

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/conceptsvsjunfan.jpg

On the left we se the Lead To-Rear Heal Powerline that is taught as the JKD Fightingstance. What ted was taught by Bruce was the Triangle principle in the JKd On Guard, as we can see from the Ted wong Students teri Toms book.


Here are two more pictures in the subject.

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/seminarieanteckning4.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/JKD%20On%20Guard/TedWongJagBaiJongtriangle1.jpg

/SteFan

[bäm!!]

Michael, you taking the time to write in swedish was a very nice gesture. Thank You.

Ted Wong was not a person who ofiicially gave out a lot of certificates, but he kept record in a small book on the status of all his students. It will be ted wongs family that has the final desicion about who is who. They have his official list and I am pretty sure that he has talked with his wife about his decisions in his JKD, I know my wife knows exactly what id going on wiithing my JKD family even though she is not active herself.

Teds wife and his children are gathering information from Teds closest students, we have a specific Forum where only the closest students of ted Wong are planning the future of TWJKD. Teds wife is part of the discussions in the Forum.

I cannot make any comments just yet about who of those who sponsored ted on seminars are considered his "closest" students. But there are some of the "big names" connected to Ted Wng that are not part of the special group trusted to plan the future of TWJKD.

I will let you all know as soon as we have an official List..

I would be very intrested in getting oppinions on the current TWJKD situation in Europe and around the world.

When you hear the name ted wong, who do you consider the "big names" and why? This will help the future of TWJKD since I can take this information with me and present it to Teds wife, his children and rest of the students of TWJKD

/SteFan

hi Stefan!

sorry but since Ted's passing things start falling appart. When you read the recent arguments on the Bax forum I really got to be honest I don't give a rat's ass on who will be Ted's successor. Some of Ted's apparently high ranked students are some of the fatest bastards i've seen in martial arts. they grab for power but look as if they grab for the next hamburger.

honestly on this one it will be who can influence who the most and not who is the most skillful guy in TWJKD. period.

[SteFanJKD]

You are absolutely right, Ted deserves better from his students than what we see on the Bax Forum.

I definitely hope that I can inspire you in you martial arts Journey, be it TWJKD, JKD Concepts, Karate, Muay Thai or whatever.

Ted ones told me, "asking questions is what being non-clasical is all about". Please ask me any question about any subject to find out who I am and what I stand for, If I might have any oppinions on a subject that you can connect with, that you share oppinions with me, we are on a good start to build the future of TWJKD and we are on our way towards our personal truth in Martial Arts.

/SteFan

[bäm!!]

Ted's family just spoke out that they don't wish anyone using Ted's Name or Logo to promote themselves. I think this is a good decision they made. From now on people will have to shine with skill and not with politics to promote themselves.

[SteFanJKD]

I would shine with a little more than skill also knowledge.

As for myself, I hope that i will still be considered a good instructor even though I have suffred much from my braintumor. My left side does not respond with the musclecontrol I would like. My balance is totally off.

If you add to that my Hip Artritis that is killing.

Sure, I push myself the best I can, but does it mean that I am not a good instructor, that I cannot pass on what I know.

To the whole TWJKD thing at the moment has to do with knowledge in TWJKD. The people who this staements turns to are those people who trained with Ted but were realy not intrested to leran from his knowledge, they didn't learn TWJKD.

I think some people has chosen to train with Ted because of his relation ship to Bruce, because he was one of only two people certified in JKD by Bruce.

It is now these people who are making aname for themselves by saying that they have trained TWJKD with Ted.

As son as we will have an official list who actually Ted considered that he taught TWJKD, who he considered his TWJKD student I belive that all the pople who themselves belived they were his atiudents simply because they trained with will once and for all silenced.

/SteFan

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Ted's family just spoke out that they don't wish anyone using Ted's Name or Logo to promote themselves. I think this is a good decision they made. From now on people will have to shine with skill and not with politics to promote themselves. I was curious about that statement and inquired. What Ted s family said was that there will be no "memorial seminars" endorsed by the Wong family and students should not use name and logo to promote themselves. The statement is not a general one and does not apply to senior Ted Wong students that are part of twjkd. The statement was directed towards two specific individuals that were promoting an overseas seminar in Europe as a twjkd memorial seminar. One of those two has quite a history with the family and wasnt even saying respects after Teds passing AT ALL! the statement was meant to stop this particular thing where Teds name, logo,art and organization should be used to make money while giving it the looks of being an official twjkd memorial event conducted for and in Europe. Coming from those certain individuals it was regarded as inappropriate and wrong and low character. Twjkd and the persons involved, which are his family and his most trusted and highest ranked students are in the midst of preparing a mission statement, as well as other official statements. Some of which will probably tell who is who in twjkd, backed up by sifu Teds notes on his students time and rank with him. There also is a handwritten explanation of his ranking system as to which rank means apprentice, associate and full instructor. We are all looking forward to when it will all be done and a united message that cannot be denied by greedy or fortuneseeking individuals will be displayed. Wilfried

[Tangkapan]

I was curious about that statement and inquired. What Ted s family said was that there will be no "memorial seminars" endorsed by the Wong family and students should not use name and logo to promote themselves. The statement is not a general one and does not apply to senior Ted Wong students that are part of twjkd. The statement was directed towards two specific individuals that were promoting an overseas seminar in Europe as a twjkd memorial seminar. One of those two has quite a history with the family and wasnt even saying respects after Teds passing AT ALL! the statement was meant to stop this particular thing where Teds name, logo,art and organization should be used to make money while giving it the looks of being an official twjkd memorial event conducted for and in Europe. Coming from those certain individuals it was regarded as inappropriate and wrong and low character. Twjkd and the persons involved, which are his family and his most trusted and highest ranked students are in the midst of preparing a mission statement, as well as other official statements. Some of which will probably tell who is who in twjkd, backed up by sifu Teds notes on his students time and rank with him. There also is a handwritten explanation of his ranking system as to which rank means apprentice, associate and full instructor. We are all looking forward to when it will all be done and a united message that cannot be denied by greedy or fortuneseeking individuals will be displayed. Wilfried

Who should these people be?
You always reffering to people without specifics...
That ranking System exists already for a longer time periode....
Its similar to the old version on Dan Inosantos System.. Appreantice means almost nothing, though i can be rewarded to seminar students, who had attended a certain amound of seminar hours.

[cbJKD Wilfried]

There is a specific reason not to call names. A little research on recent events in the twjkd or the internet will provide all necessary informations to fill the gaps i left in the post. They might be similarities to Daniel Inosantos old ranking system, but i highly doubt its the same. If it was and apprentice instructor was "nothing" some colorful characters in Teds lineage will be up for a surprise once their actual rank gets published and some claims cannot be maintained anymore. My post was intended to point out the Wong family s statement is misinterpreted. Regards Wilfried

[Tangkapan]

There is a specific reason not to call names. A little research on recent events in the twjkd or the internet will provide all necessary informations to fill the gaps i left in the post. They might be similarities to Daniel Inosantos old ranking system, but i highly doubt its the same. If it was and apprentice instructor was "nothing" some colorful characters in Teds lineage will be up for a surprise once their actual rank gets published and some claims cannot be maintained anymore. My post was intended to point out the Wong family s statement is misinterpreted. Regards Wilfried


I never said its entirely the same, because the approach is different.. But the ranking and how to rank is the same..
About colorful--- Not every apprentice is bad or good..
Think about that Victoria Vives is Ranked in the WNG... as she is really bad. just remember the How to be a superhero thread...
I know people in the JKD community without any ranking and the can kick some ass..
But as we all know.
Ranks and Certificates don't mean shit-- ;-)

[cbJKD Wilfried]

See you re dropping names again! ;-) I do even know a lot of people who can put foot to ass big time entirely outside of jeet kune do. Consequently they never received any kind of certificate in jkd! So is the ability to kick ass any kind of quality measure of someones knowledge in jkd? I think not. So i would always turn to somebody with certification than to somebody without. A certificate should be a written recognition of somebodys knowledge of the system itself and his ability to pass it on to others. I found the certification means shit attitude to be most convenient for those that dont have any or never had the opportunity to get recognised. I also find this attitude to be disrespectful to any instructor issuing certificates of rank to their students. Without recognition nobody could tell the difference between self, holiday, seminar or video taught and those who went out there to get real instruction and are willing to work on accumulating skill and knowledge in the actual physical system of jeet kune do on an instructors level, meaning not necessarily being able to use everything under battle conditions but to know the material from the inside out and being able to demonstrate and teach others the specifics - opposed to just learn how to kick ass and falsely label their kickboxing prowess jeet kune do

[Tangkapan]

See you re dropping names again! ;-) I do even know a lot of people who can put foot to ass big time entirely outside of jeet kune do. Consequently they never received any kind of certificate in jkd! So is the ability to kick ass any kind of quality measure of someones knowledge in jkd? I think not. So i would always turn to somebody with certification than to somebody without. A certificate should be a written recognition of somebodys knowledge of the system itself and his ability to pass it on to others. I found the certification means shit attitude to be most convenient for those that dont have any or never had the opportunity to get recognised. I also find this attitude to be disrespectful to any instructor issuing certificates of rank to their students. Without recognition nobody could tell the difference between self, holiday, seminar or video taught and those who went out there to get real instruction and are willing to work on accumulating skill and knowledge in the actual physical system of jeet kune do on an instructors level, meaning not necessarily being able to use everything under battle conditions but to know the material from the inside out and being able to demonstrate and teach others the specifics - opposed to just learn how to kick ass and falsely label their kickboxing prowess jeet kune do

it should be but it isn't!!!
Certification means not too much, because mostly it is money and time based efford recognition. Not appliable recognition.
MEaning you can have all the Certificates you want, it still doesn't make you a good fighter.
If you fight and proof your skills thats what counts.
And fighting is the key element in JKD, and should be in most MA Systems.
The People i was reffering to are JKD practitioners. Long time, but they don't care about certificates or ranks.

The BJJ certification is different as far as i know. At a certain level you have to fight to become the neccessarry certification.
And if you're saying that the person (VV) who's name i've dropped is doing JKD would make me question your knowledge. I told her the same thing and she was pissed because she is certified by Tim Tackett or someone in the WNG. That makes me wonder, because what she does totally sucks..
We all laughed about it already here.

CLOSED EYE CHI SAO | Jeet Kune Do for Superheroes (http://victoriavives.com/jeet-kune-do/closed-eye-chi-sao/)

[Tangkapan]

There are a lot of people outside JKD that can destroy both, you and me in the blink of an eye...
Practicing JKD doesn't mean a damn thing. Regulating und putting rules to it doesn't mean much too.
You can have the best Teacher and the money to pay him, but it still doesn't give you the skill to actually do it.
Its one of the reasons Lee closed his schools...
Its one of the reasons that there are not many but one Ted WOng, Tommy Carruthers or Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali a.s.o.
There is a old saying:

Money can buy you a bed but no sleep
it can buy you medical but no health
it can buy you a clock but no time
it can buy you a book, but not knowledge
it can buy you a position, but not respect..

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I think this was a really good post and i agree on most of it. However i have always been under the impression certification, especially in jeet kune do, was issued to recognise a students knowledge of the art and its structure as well as his ability to pass on this knowledge. I think nobody ever used or saw it as a proof of a students fighting abilities - there has never been a need for anything like that since its up to everybody to step into the ring to get a professional fight record and prove his proficiency applying the system. As far as Victoria is concerned, i never watched her videos, i dont know what she does and i dont care too much. However i met husband and he seemed to be ok. I think he offers a lot of conditioning exercises to the wng. Regards wilfried

[Tangkapan]

I think this was a really good post and i agree on most of it. However i have always been under the impression certification, especially in jeet kune do, was issued to recognise a students knowledge of the art and its structure as well as his ability to pass on this knowledge. I think nobody ever used or saw it as a proof of a students fighting abilities - there has never been a need for anything like that since its up to everybody to step into the ring to get a professional fight record and prove his proficiency applying the system. As far as Victoria is concerned, i never watched her videos, i dont know what she does and i dont care too much. However i met husband and he seemed to be ok. I think he offers a lot of conditioning exercises to the wng. Regards wilfried

JKD is labeled and understood as a progressive and scientific FIGHTING Method.
Not to be able to fight and understanding fighting is a big lack...
Certification should rank the fighting ability as well..
What do you do if a student comes to your school, offends you and attacks you.. When you label your class JKD , people expect JKD, and you should be able to fight back even if you loose, you go down fighting.
Its like teaching swimming and never having been in the water..

On Victoria.. she might be ok as a person, but promoting JKD as she does is watering JKD down.. She has success not because of her abilities.
Thats whats wrong in martial arts and JKD world.
We have a lot of people arguing about Wing Chun ... that it is not good and not for the streets....
Thats total bullshit... in the late 70s and in the 80s Wing Chun whipped ass!!
Its a good system. but it got negative response because of the wrongdoing of certain people....

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I agree again. There is a movement now even in classical/original/old school jeet kune do to train fighters for k1 and mma type events which i think is a very very good thing. You can see that in the wng family, the twjkd family and the Gary dill jkd family. One of my mentors in twjkd said something to the extend of: the state in which we find jkd today is due to the fact its a self defense method. Most practitioners learn it because they do not wish to fight. People interested in fighting turn to kickboxing, mma and stuff like that initially. That leads to jkd often times not being pressure tested and training methods get mechanical and repetitive. Every jkd instructor should aim at having at least 1/4 of his students engage in tournament - AS COMPETITION BREEDS EXCELLENCE. i totally agree that once you get challenged in your club you need to be able to fight, while i think the coach does not necessarily have to be the best fighter of a club. As far as i know most jkd clubs maintain a low profile, with almost no advertising, small exclusive training groups. So a lot of the commercial bickering doesnt really happen to a jkd club. I think jkd is a thing you really need to love in order to pursue, track down and practise. It is not a commercial franchise and there is absolutely no reason for anyone to choose and practise jeet kune do AT ALL, especially with really good selfdefense systems like krav maga and really really good and tournament proven systems like Thai boxing, kickboxing and mma at every gym in every bigger city for a very reasonable monthly fee. In order to learn and track down the original jkd and jun fan methods one has to put in a lot of commitment, time, money and sorting out the bs - much more than with any other martial art form and there is not much to get in return. In order to obtain, perpetuate, preserve jun fan gung fu and jeet kune do one has to be enthusiastic and really love the art and be a little bit crazy with it, so to speak and its about making the system survive.

[Tangkapan]

I agree again. There is a movement now even in classical/original/old school jeet kune do to train fighters for k1 and mma type events which i think is a very very good thing. You can see that in the wng family, the twjkd family and the Gary dill jkd family. One of my mentors in twjkd said something to the extend of: the state in which we find jkd today is due to the fact its a self defense method. Most practitioners learn it because they do not wish to fight. People interested in fighting turn to kickboxing, mma and stuff like that initially. That leads to jkd often times not being pressure tested and training methods get mechanical and repetitive. Every jkd instructor should aim at having at least 1/4 of his students engage in tournament - AS COMPETITION BREEDS EXCELLENCE. i totally agree that once you get challenged in your club you need to be able to fight, while i think the coach does not necessarily have to be the best fighter of a club. As far as i know most jkd clubs maintain a low profile, with almost no advertising, small exclusive training groups. So a lot of the commercial bickering doesnt really happen to a jkd club. I think jkd is a thing you really need to love in order to pursue, track down and practise. It is not a commercial franchise and there is absolutely no reason for anyone to choose and practise jeet kune do AT ALL, especially with really good selfdefense systems like krav maga and really really good and tournament proven systems like Thai boxing, kickboxing and mma at every gym in every bigger city for a very reasonable monthly fee. In order to learn and track down the original jkd and jun fan methods one has to put in a lot of commitment, time, money and sorting out the bs - much more than with any other martial art form and there is not much to get in return. In order to obtain, perpetuate, preserve jun fan gung fu and jeet kune do one has to be enthusiastic and really love the art and be a little bit crazy with it, so to speak and its about making the system survive.

Could be.
To put JKD in K1 or MMA would probably not be benefitiary for JKD, since there are rules. On the other hand it could train a student to, at least, get a more realistic feeling. It s a split decision. Burton Richardson in HAwaii is doin it.
About getting the right stuff, its on the student to make the sacrifice and find out whats right for him...
For example Gary Dill....
lets see.. think about it this way...
through a furtunate event you will be a star in 2 years, and after that the world knows you, you'll die. So now you have your students and suddenly they will be in the focus too, because they've trained with you. ANd even the student that was only once or twice in your class will be recognized as a student of the star. See where i'm comming from?
As far as learning JKD goes, it's not about who's ass to kiss, or how much money you will spend. Its just about the person itself.
i remember the first 6 weeks i spent at Dans Academy in LA.... after all the hours and the six weeks passed by i asked him what i should pay, and he said give me 50 bucks.. I mean i had 3 hrs private and 6 hrs grouptraining every day for 6 days a week. I do it the same way.. i teach who is willing to learn and who is loyal. Not everybody has a lot of money to travel, but if they are willing they can learn.

[SteFanJKD]

Who should these people be?

It will all be quite clear when the official list will be presented. Lets just all simply be respectful to Ted Wong and not use his name untill we have an official list

You always reffering to people without specifics...

For the same reasons, lets not make personal comments based upon personal oppinions. Lets make comments from official notes and personal experience.


That ranking System exists already for a longer time periode....
Its similar to the old version on Dan Inosantos System.. Appreantice means almost nothing, though i can be rewarded to seminar students, who had attended a certain amound of seminar hours.

When we talk about Ted Wong you have to realice that all those who have a Jun fan JKD certificate from him have "old" certifikates. It is like comparing a jun fan Gung Fu certificate with a Jeet Kune Do certifikate. having a TWJKD certifikate is the only official documents sthat says that you are an Instructor in TWJKD. The old Jun fan JKD certificate only means that you have trained with him for historical knowledge in Bruce Lee's JKD, not that you are authoriced to represent him personally as his TWJKD instructor


I know people in the JKD community without any ranking and the can kick some ass..
But as we all know.
Ranks and Certificates don't mean shit-- ;-)

And still they use the name JKD to promeote themselves, and this means shit to me ;) To me ranking and a certificate is also a sign of respecty, honesty, dedication. I see a person with alack of Fighting ability but has spent hours to get an authentic certification as a bigger martial artist that a person who can fight and uses the name JKD for own benefit. My oppinion is that there are two many assholes, yes, I consider them assholes, by using the name JKD for their own benefit.

If ranking doe mean shit, one shouldn't put the name JKD to anything that is not JKD and you are not authoriced and certified in JKD. And still there are a lot of people out there who do this, and it is mostly those who see martial arts as nothing more than physical Fighting.


MEaning you can have all the Certificates you want, it still doesn't make you a good fighter.


This might be true in some styles, but not in JKD. JKD is so much more than just fighting, it is sthe art of fighting without fighting, an avenue in which life opens its secrets to us. All the punches and kicks are tools to kill the egop. Sopunds familiar;) and fighting is all about Ego :)


When you label your class JKD , people expect JKD, and you should be able to fight back even if you loose, you go down fighting.
Its like teaching swimming and never having been in the water..

So you say that the Fighting abilityb itself is not the important factor, only that you fight. I can agree with that. I always say, If I do everything not to fight, learn the art of fighting without fighting and i meet an asshole who knocks me down. he is still an asshole and I am stil a martial artist, a JKD practitioner.

So if a person is naturaly not a good fighter, but he never backs down from sparring and getting his assed kicked. he is dedicated in other parts of JKD, history, pkilosophy etc. Dose he not deserve an instructors certficicate in JKD simply because he is not a good fighter, because he looses fights all the time. Does it make the JKD he is teaching as aJKd Instructor bad simply because HE HIMSELF cannot aply it.


As far as learning JKD goes, it's not about who's ass to kiss, or how much money you will spend. Its just about the person itself.

It seams that you have a lot of bad experience from JKD. It always comes down to ass kissing and bad certification. Maybe this was the reason linda Lee had enough back in 1996. Maybe she constantly got letters who were disappointed with how JKD was being presented.

All I can say is I felt the same before i met ted wong. What I constantly heard from the JKD community in the Scandinavia JKD Concepts world was that I should not bather training with ted because he never certifies anybody. To me, this not a problem, obviouslöy is was for the rest of them. They were probably quite happy with how JKD was presented in Scandinavia. This might also be the reason why they have so much problem when I did get certified and could show authentic JKd Lineage back to Bruce Lee with an authentic piece of paper.

/SteFan

[Tangkapan]

Who should these people be?

It will all be quite clear when the official list will be presented. Lets just all simply be respectful to Ted Wong and not use his name untill we have an official list

You always reffering to people without specifics...

For the same reasons, lets not make personal comments based upon personal oppinions. Lets make comments from official notes and personal experience.


That ranking System exists already for a longer time periode....
Its similar to the old version on Dan Inosantos System.. Appreantice means almost nothing, though i can be rewarded to seminar students, who had attended a certain amound of seminar hours.

When we talk about Ted Wong you have to realice that all those who have a Jun fan JKD certificate from him have "old" certifikates. It is like comparing a jun fan Gung Fu certificate with a Jeet Kune Do certifikate. having a TWJKD certifikate is the only official documents sthat says that you are an Instructor in TWJKD. The old Jun fan JKD certificate only means that you have trained with him for historical knowledge in Bruce Lee's JKD, not that you are authoriced to represent him personally as his TWJKD instructor

I did not write about TEd. But the certification situation is less than optimal

And still they use the name JKD to promeote themselves, and this means shit to me ;) To me ranking and a certificate is also a sign of respecty, honesty, dedication. I see a person with alack of Fighting ability but has spent hours to get an authentic certification as a bigger martial artist that a person who can fight and uses the name JKD for own benefit. My oppinion is that there are two many assholes, yes, I consider them assholes, by using the name JKD for their own benefit.
Ranking is and should always be as you've wrote it .. But be honest it isn't.

If ranking doe mean shit, one shouldn't put the name JKD to anything that is not JKD and you are not authoriced and certified in JKD. And still there are a lot of people out there who do this, and it is mostly those who see martial arts as nothing more than physical Fighting.

And thats is exactly what JKD stand foremost... A scientific way of fighting, a way to grow spiritually and physically.
ANd the same here.. A RAnk should be an honor.. But you and i , as well as others know that it is a lot of times a thing based on money and timme effort.

if it was the way you say it is, we wouldn't have a discussion about JFJKD, original JKD , or whats wrong or right.


This might be true in some styles, but not in JKD. JKD is so much more than just fighting, it is sthe art of fighting without fighting, an avenue in which life opens its secrets to us. All the punches and kicks are tools to kill the egop. Sopunds familiar;) and fighting is all about Ego :)

Partially true.... it is and will be a way of fighting. Its always honorable if people want to learn more than just plain fighting. But especially in JKD Fighting is the key to understand it. To understand oneselfe.
And we have to understand that the philosophycal part in JKD is just a part of the process..
You can't be a star recieving cook (Chef) by reciting recepies, You actually have to do it to let others taste it.
And if you research it JKD was for Bruce never just about philosophy, it was a way out of misery, a way into wealth he wanted to achieve, and a way to show the world that a chinese actor could more than just perform a charlie chan caracter. :-)


So you say that the Fighting abilityb itself is not the important factor, only that you fight. I can agree with that. I always say, If I do everything not to fight, learn the art of fighting without fighting and i meet an asshole who knocks me down. he is still an asshole and I am stil a martial artist, a JKD practitioner.

No, i did not say that !!
In order to fight and survive you have to have abilities far beyond than just agressiveness, or just technique. Thats why i love JKD since i've started it in 85. Its so much more. It s all the things you've wrote and much more. But its never "just" one of these things. its a good balance of abilities and knowledge.
in every situation,,, be it a fight or somwhat you loose soe and you win some.. it makes you grow..


So if a person is naturaly not a good fighter, but he never backs down from sparring and getting his assed kicked. he is dedicated in other parts of JKD, history, pkilosophy etc. Dose he not deserve an instructors certficicate in JKD simply because he is not a good fighter, because he looses fights all the time. Does it make the JKD he is teaching as aJKd Instructor bad simply because HE HIMSELF cannot aply it.
Again, thats not what i meant or wrote..
A guy who behaves like this surely deserves that. What i meant is a guy who never fought, never sparred.. he does not deserve it 100%.
It doesn't matter if you win all your sparring sessions or your fights, the key is to actually do it. Having the experiance
A teacher who has never lost a fight can't teach you how to cope with loss. A teacher who had never fellt a heavy punch can not teach you the right punch, because he lacks the knowledge of impact. What truly can happen it your punch hits his target.
If someone cannot apply to te requirements he might be able to teach, but his teaching will lack a certain factor.
If you are about to race a bicylce race, but you've always trained on a stationary and you don't have the balance for the real bike, you will never make that race. You could teach the technique but not the application.
And JKD is all about application. That is the key to it, and it is the factor that seperates it from the other martial arts.


It seams that you have a lot of bad experience from JKD. It always comes down to ass kissing and bad certification. Maybe this was the reason linda Lee had enough back in 1996. Maybe she constantly got letters who were disappointed with how JKD was being presented.

No, see it the other way around.... i just had really good experiances. But it troubles me to see it being watered down. Look around, and then tell me that you've never seen a person who is doing JKD and you've wondered how they got certified... The Net is full of them. JKD is.. because of its reputation a way of making easy money. And there a just few people around that do not think that way. When i teach my knowlegde i often do it totally for free. Because i think that the individual is more important. I love people who are dedicated. Thats why i discuss here after 8 years of silence. I see the troubles rising, but at the same time people acually discussing it.
I dont talk about Linda.. period..
i do not agree with some of the thinks handled by the Lee Estate. But on the other hand i can understand the struggle to put it in a structured way.
Even if it is contrary to what Lee wanted to do with it. But the cat's out the box and we have to preserve and share it to a good thing.
There should be more .. lets say workshops...free workshops for people like us to exchange ideas, try out things a.s.o.

All I can say is I felt the same before i met ted wong. What I constantly heard from the JKD community in the Scandinavia JKD Concepts world was that I should not bather training with ted because he never certifies anybody. To me, this not a problem, obviouslöy is was for the rest of them. They were probably quite happy with how JKD was presented in Scandinavia. This might also be the reason why they have so much problem when I did get certified and could show authentic JKd Lineage back to Bruce Lee with an authentic piece of paper.

And thats great.. what i mean is that even if he did not give you the certification, you'd still have what you took from this experience.
Nobody can take that away. But don't get me started on that concepts discussion, we should be glad it even happened. If it wasn't for Inosanto and Bustillo (for example) we probably wouldn't even have JKD left.
In the early 80s it was the only way to even get close to it. Time went by and people started to question if this or that was better or not. At least we have guys like Ballicky, and others that could prove themselfs in the ring or matt, even though did had concepts training.
SO it can't be all wrong.
I say that we all can learn and appreciate other thing that just putting it down.

/SteFan

See above

[bäm!!]

When we talk about Ted Wong you have to realice that all those who have a Jun fan JKD certificate from him have "old" certifikates. It is like comparing a jun fan Gung Fu certificate with a Jeet Kune Do certifikate. having a TWJKD certifikate is the only official documents sthat says that you are an Instructor in TWJKD. The old Jun fan JKD certificate only means that you have trained with him for historical knowledge in Bruce Lee's JKD, not that you are authoriced to represent him personally as his TWJKD instructor


/SteFan

from what point on did Ted start or officially call what he was doing the past few years TWJKD? what was the motivation going from JKD to TWJKD? I see that there are not diffrences in mechanical/technical terms to others who were under Ted but in the approach of how to use what was taught by him.

[Tangkapan]

@Stephan
yes i was wondering too.
I've heard that he was very displeased with what was going on in the "JKD World" and how people changed what Bruce had developed.
True ?

[bäm!!]

on my behalf my question was adressed solely on Ted's teaching since I know what he taught 17 years ago was not the same as what he taught 5 years ago. I understand that he finetuned and adjusted JKD since during his learning process he developed a deeper understanding of JKD and it seems from some point on he "adapted" (for the lack of a better word) it to his own ideas thus calling it TWJKD?

[SteFanJKD]

from what point on did Ted start or officially call what he was doing the past few years TWJKD? what was the motivation going from JKD to TWJKD? I see that there are not diffrences in mechanical/technical terms to others who were under Ted but in the approach of how to use what was taught by him.

I am not 100% sure, but I think it was back in 2008. The motivation came from us, his instructors. There was confusion when Ted used the word Jun Fan JKD on his teachings. We must understand that ted choose to go public and share what Bruce taught him because Linda sked him.

It was naural that he chose the name Jun fan JKD for his teaching. Some people who trained with him trained his JKD as simply a part of the whole jun fan JKD agenda.

Some people stayed with their earlier training in another style, some kept their own idea of what JKD is alla about and others started devoting their time to listen to what ted was saying. learning from tedunderstanding and research about JKD. this is were the diffrent comes in. I will see if I can find som pictures to illustrate my point.

Are all these poses TWJKD

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/TedWongJagBaiJong1.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/118_1873.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/DSCF1137.jpg

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk356/StefanJKD/davidegrupp2.jpg

[SteFanJKD]

I've heard that he was very displeased with what was going on in the "JKD World" and how people changed what Bruce had developed.
True ?

I'll be Back :)

/SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

It is very hard to live up to Ted wong. He never said anything bad about anyone, he respected everyone, even if he felt that they were doing something wrong.

It was not until he was personally asked by Linda to start to officilay teach what Bruce had taught him that he publically started to share his point of view on JKD.

He never said that JKd Concepts had been doing it wrong, he only said that it was not what he was taught by Bruce Lee and wanted to share a different point of view to those intrested

The only official comment we have on the subject is the interview with a person named "Anette". In this videointerview ted says that he could have lived with the fact that JKD would have died out after Bruce Lee's death. But he could not live with the fact that JKD turned into something else that it acording to him was not. This is why he joined Linda lee's effort to start to spread an optional direction to go in JKD than the JKd Concepts approach.

Having known Ted for so many years I of course have quite a good idea about the subject. I have a story for you from 1996 which describes his point of view.

We were visiting the Ship Wasa in Stockholm. Wasa was a ship that was buld in 1628. The king wanted a new gun ship to batle the Danes. As he was building the ship he heard that the danes had built a ship with two cannon decks. The swedish King also wanted two cannon decks, "more is better" was his oppinion.

The ship builder explained that the wasa ship was not designed for two cannon decks, but the King demnaded him to build two canon decks. This was actually why the ship capsiced at is mayden voyage. The two cannon decks did not better the original design.

When Ted heard this, he looked at me with a smile on his face and sayed

- Concept ship :)

So what ted actually taught was that Training multiple styles, adding techniques to ones repertoire was not what bruce Lee's JKD was all about. He definitely taght that people who had Instructors scetificated in 4-5 diffrent styles and calling themselves JKD students or instructors, that they are developing JKD, doing what Bruce wayed his students in JKD to do

To him Bruce lee's JKD was all about simplicity, daily decrease. If we honestly look at Bruce Lee's personal evolution from Seattle to L.A. What do we see. We see that he always had pretty much the same curriculum up to his death, he simply modified and simplified what he had, he did not add techniques, He had one On Guard, a few punches, kicks etc, he simply . he said "true refinement seeks simplicity".

ted did not belive that bruce would have taken a 360 degree turn and went back to daily Increase, starting to add techniques to his repertoire, and this is what he taught people were doing in the "JKD World"

/SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

The two cannon decks did not better the original design.

With this Teds message was that JKD was build around the on Guard,it was build around daily decrease and simplicity. We don't make JKD better, more efficient simply by adding kali, Silat, BJJ, Muay Thai to our Training.

It doesn't make JKD better by simply saying that we separate JKD, from Muay Thai, kali, BJJ. We only ake JKD better by staying with on Guard and expressing JKD with as few techniques as possible

I am expressing my point os view on the subject a little more openly that ted. This does not mean that i don't respect Inosantos decision, I simple agree to disagree with his desicion. I hope that people agree to disagree with my decision and comment and ask me questions about why I have made this decision.

/SteFan

[Tangkapan]

I agree

But one has to focus on the subject that in the early 80s there was just a limited number of Persons or Schools to offer JKD.
Dan taught in those days two ways of it.. You had the Jun Fan Method in the group, and another one in private Lessons. They did differ a great deal,
Today it is another story because variation is there and you can choose from a bigger selection.

I do not want to miss the times training in LA, even though my path is different today.

[SteFanJKD]

Do you know the story how it became what it became. ted Lucay Lucay was part of this early Inosanto training group. This is what he said.


Dan had a group that he taught only Jeet Kune Do, after the class he said that he will now teach kali and those who wanted to stay couls stay. according to Ted Lucay most people left.

So Dan started to add kali to the total curriculum of his JKD school.and consequently more people started to join the kali classes. As time went by Kali became more and more important. It was not Inosanto who is to blame. it is all his students and people who marketed his seminars.

dan taught mostly kali and his martial arts on seminars, and they were marketed as JKd seminars. dan saked them to put the wrd oncept to the adds to clear out that it is not JKD that he is tecahing, that it is only a concept of it.

I have all my notes left from my seminars and in the late 80's and early 90's it is still like it had been since bruce Lee's death. I went to a JKd Concepts seminar because i wated to learn JKD, but all I got was a "Concept of Martial arts, mostly south east asia"

This wa eaxactly dan original idea, it was not JKD that was taught only a concepts of the ideas of a Bruce Lee thoughts on Martial arts.

PS. My notes shows that from a typical 2 days seminar there was about 10 % Jun Fan Gung Fu, usually it started and ended eith jun fan and therefore one got the impression that it was a Jun fan Gung Fu/JKD seminar.

The bottom line is. I think Inosantos intentions were good, but I belived he should have dropped the name JKD altogether when he saw what was happening. Like Ted Wong said "he could have lived with the fact that JKD would have died out like the dinosaurs, but not turn to something else."

What happened in the 80's was that JKD became synonamonous with a "Jun fan gung Fu- Kali- Silat-savate-Wing Chun-Shootfighting/Larry Hartsell - Grappling blend

If linda would not have started the jun fan JKD Nucleous back in 1996 I truly belive that JKD would have turned out to something it is not.

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

... We don't make JKD better, more efficient simply by adding kali, Silat, BJJ, Muay Thai to our Training.

It doesn't make JKD better by simply saying that we separate JKD, from Muay Thai, kali, BJJ. We only ake JKD better by staying with on Guard and expressing JKD with as few techniques as possible...

I totally agree with that. Nicely explained.
So its the pruprose that dictates the action. It doesn't make JKD any better...but maybe, maybe, the trainee and his ability to defend himself :)
It just depends on where your priorities lie.

Greetings

[Tangkapan]

Do you know the story how it became what it became. ted Lucay Lucay was part of this early Inosanto training group. This is what he said.


Dan had a group that he taught only Jeet Kune Do, after the class he said that he will now teach kali and those who wanted to stay couls stay. according to Ted Lucay most people left.

So Dan started to add kali to the total curriculum of his JKD school.and consequently more people started to join the kali classes. As time went by Kali became more and more important. It was not Inosanto who is to blame. it is all his students and people who marketed his seminars.

dan taught mostly kali and his martial arts on seminars, and they were marketed as JKd seminars. dan saked them to put the wrd oncept to the adds to clear out that it is not JKD that he is tecahing, that it is only a concept of it.

I have all my notes left from my seminars and in the late 80's and early 90's it is still like it had been since bruce Lee's death. I went to a JKd Concepts seminar because i wated to learn JKD, but all I got was a "Concept of Martial arts, mostly south east asia"

This wa eaxactly dan original idea, it was not JKD that was taught only a concepts of the ideas of a Bruce Lee thoughts on Martial arts.

PS. My notes shows that from a typical 2 days seminar there was about 10 % Jun Fan Gung Fu, usually it started and ended eith jun fan and therefore one got the impression that it was a Jun fan Gung Fu/JKD seminar.

The bottom line is. I think Inosantos intentions were good, but I belived he should have dropped the name JKD altogether when he saw what was happening. Like Ted Wong said "he could have lived with the fact that JKD would have died out like the dinosaurs, but not turn to something else."

What happened in the 80's was that JKD became synonamonous with a "Jun fan gung Fu- Kali- Silat-savate-Wing Chun-Shootfighting/Larry Hartsell - Grappling blend

If linda would not have started the jun fan JKD Nucleous back in 1996 I truly belive that JKD would have turned out to something it is not.

/SteFan

good explanation

but you always have to differ what someone could see on a seminar , be it here or in the states, and what Dan or Larry taught in class or in private lessons.
There was a huge difference.

i attended my first JKD Seminar with LArry Hartsell in 1985...
And Dans Seminar in 1986 .. and they both where different in teaching and approach. I always felt that i could get more JKD from Larry...that was before i went to LA.in 88 There it was totally different. The classes where seperated and there was no mixture like in the Seminars.
Dan actually recorded progress and such things individually.

Even i changed my approach by following Tommy Carruthers teaching. i would never go out and say that Dan and Larry taught crap, just because of the political bullshit.
I cherish what i've learned, and i am thankfull to all my teachers and students. Because without them i could not grow and get knowledge and understanding.

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Maybe i can shed a little light on the subject.

When the BLEF was created the term "JUN FAN JEET KUNE DO" was created and copyrighted. This term has not been used before, before that it was simply Jeet Kune Do or Jun Fan Gung Fu.

The nucleus was meant to be a group of fully authorised and embraced authentic teachers of the physical art of "jun fan gung fu and jeet kune do" as taught and practised by Bruce Lee during his lifetime.

Every actively teaching board member was recognised by the BLEF as authorised to present their own segment of knowledge as part of "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do".

The main idea was, with lots of "unauthorised" schools with "questionable or non existing background tracing back to Bruce Lee opening all over the world, to create a central and governering body for authentic JKD teachings.

The JFJKD teachers approved by the BLEF were treated as equally legitimate and served as "sources" for JFJKD.

So if any individual was interested in training in Bruce Lee´s original teachings he was recommended to seek out any one of those BLEF approved JFJKD-Instructors to secure he got lineage back to Bruce Lee.

The BLEF/JFJKD instructors were allowed to use the copyrighted term "JUN FAN JEET KUNE DO" to give students a certificate of "authenticity" so to speak, so they had a written proof they trained with a BLEF approved source.

So you see the whole "JFJKD" stuff is entirely a BLEF thing, who coined and copyrighted the term and selected the individuals representing it.

Among those were Taky Kimura, Herb Jackson, Richard Bustillo, Ted Wong, Tim Tackett, Bob Bremer and several others.

The certificates saying "JUN FAN JEET KUNE DO" on it were nothing more than a paper of authenticity stating the instructor taught an individual that came for training with him for historical reasons in his function as representative of the BLEF.

It could also be seen that individuals slightly changed what they were teaching in order to make their stuff more compatible to the stuff of others. There was a demonstration/training session where Ted Wong taught with Richard Bustillo on entering to trapping and grappling, while Bruce never emphasized that aspect of the art with him and he never taught much of that when teaching privately.

The WNG e.g. has always had it´s own curriculum. In order to get ranked in the WNG you have to complete phase 1-4, then assistant, apprentice, associate and eventually you will be promoted to full instructor. This was the "old" system, am not talking about the "new" WNG with the original members merely serving as advisors.

The "JFJKD" certificate did not mean you completed any of the above curriculum, but you sought out the WNG as authentic source for JFJKD representing the BLEF and you are a student or somehow associated instructor since you received a not specified number of hours of instruction with them.

as far as i know Sifu Ted also gave out "JFJKD" certificates (mostly low ranks representing an apprentice) for helping out people to prove their legitimate training in Bruce lee´s authentic material as well as "JKD" and later "TWJKD" certificates stating the individual has archieved rank in Sifu Ted´s progression of Jeet Kune Do.

With the vanish of the BLEF there is no need for JFJKD certificates anymore to prove affialiation with a BLEF approved source of JUN FAN JEET KUNE DO as copyrighted, defined and embraced by the BLEF.

I guess the whole idea was to be able to tell people that learned authentic "old school" JKD from those practising modernised interpretations of the system or have NO affiliation at all to Bruce Lee´s teachings for the general public but as we all know the BLEF broke apart due to internal quarrels as did the Bruce Lee Society before.

Regards Wilfried

[Tangkapan]

As far as i know the BLEF was founded in 1995?? not really sure.

But SiFu LArry used the Term JFJKD earlier . in certification: the first one i got in 1985 he called it JKD and JKD Concepts.
Dan used the term jun fan martial arts.
And to me at least 70% of the BRuce Lee Estate and BLF is all about marketing and money.
The approach by defining something that is not difineable be word of the founder , you will create seperation from the core.

[Tangkapan]

Most of all these stories do nothing but distract from actually training the art.

[Gin Lai]

...as is hanging around in forums, mate! :D

Cheers,
Mike

[Tangkapan]

Die Dosis macht das Gift. Und manchmal könnte ich mir echt in den ***** beißen weil ich Zeit verschwende.
Aber ich muss Gott sei Dank nicht von morgens bis abends arbeiten, dann releativiert es sich wieder.
Außerdem gibts hier auch gute Gesprächspartner MATE :-)

[SteFanJKD]

1995 or 1996, I am not 100% sure. all I know is that the first Invitational Nucleous seminar was held in 1997. Embarrising if this is wrong too, since I was invited.


Most of all these stories do nothing but distract from actually training the art.

and this comment goes hand in hand with this coment


...as is hanging around in forums, mate

I can't speak for others, but I mange to train 2 hours every morning and 2-3 hours every night 6 days a week even though I hang out on Forums. Writing on Forums is part of my theoretical studies, and besides forum I study and read at least 1 hour a day. If I am tired I trin only with the stationary bike or treadmill while watching an instructional video

Wilfried that was a good expalanation. I would add that Inosanto was part of the initial meeting in Seattle but chose not to be part of it. Larry chose to leave the Organisatio after one year

/SteFan

[bäm!!]

Stefan

in what ways diffred Ted's own approach to JKD to the previous JKD taught by Ted (or in other words taught by bruce?) mechanical? tactical?

[SteFanJKD]

Sorry, I seem to have missed this one.


in what ways diffred Ted's own approach to JKD to the previous JKD taught by Ted (or in other words taught by bruce?) mechanical? tactical?

Personally I would say is that what ted has taught has always been what i consider JKD would look like if Bruce was alive today, tecnicaly , mechanically and tactically. But I would never say that everybody else is doing it wrong, it is simply my oppinion.

To me Ted has mechanically explained a lot to me that is not writen in the Tao of JKD or any other notes. He has explained Bruce Lee's JKD, it is the expalnation, teaching and understanding that I consider TWJKD dfferent from Bruce lee/jun fan JKD.

He has of course shared this at Bruce Lee Foundation seminars as part of the total contribution what JKD could and would be to different people.

I would say that there are people who trained with Ted that has added other jun Fan JKd instructors interpretation and contribution to their JKD, that they were only applying the physical/technical things ted was teaching. As for myself, I have concentrated more to reserach the mechanical principles behind the techniques Ted has shown me, and this is what I think is different from training Jun fan JKD with Ted as he previously called it and TWJKD as his instructors calls it.

There should not be any technical differences in what he teaches since he teaches JKD, but concentrating on the tactics and application in Footwork, looking at the triangle principle in the On Guard, looking at the strategi and tactics Ted uses in his JKD techniques and combinations, this is what makes TWJKD different from other JKD approaches.

To sum it up. Ted has always taught like this, it is simply that some of his sudents only saw the technical part, his teachings as a part of the total picture of JKD. Others concentrated on the principlas and mechanics Ted has discovered by himself after Bruce Lee's death and the reason why ted chose to use the same techniques as was taught to him by Bruce Lee.

/SteFan