JKD in Germany

[SteFanJKD]

as I told you I consider myself very dedicated to JKD. I love all aspects of JKD. This includes Technique, tactiquea and most importantly its application in physiocally training it.

I also love the philosophy part of JKD, I love the theatrical part of Bruce Lee, his movies. I love the collecting part and the whole "legend of Bruce Lee"


Thisi is why i also have an instrest in how the JKD situation looks like in every country I spend time on a Forum. I would appreciate If someone could list have the JKd School situation in germany looks like. It would also be intresting to know if there is someone who is known for his/hers intrest in Bruce Lee as an Icon and is more famous as collector.

Here is a clip that illustrates my intrest in JKD, when its comes to other things than actually Training its techniques

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[SteFanJKD]

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[jkdberlin]

There might be no complete list on the internet anyway, but I guess this: http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f48/jkd-schulen-and-vereine-33022/ is a rather good start when it comes to Jun Fan Gung Fu, Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, JKD Concepts, Original etc.

[SteFanJKD]

Thank You, I will chech the site.

But what i was looking for was your personal oppinion, what first comes to you mind, some honesty without a fuss. For example. When I think about the JKd situation in Sweden what first comes to mind is

1. JKD Concepts under Rich tuchi in Malmö. He has done the right thing, he is authoriced

2. PFS in Norrköping, a paul Vunak instructor, never met him, but he might be one of those people who take an apprentice instructor fron Vunak and never see hiom again and market themselves year after year as a authoriced Vunak instructor.

3. Tim tacket in Stockholm, well, he has organiced one seminar with Tim, he himself says he is a lameco Instructor with JKD instructor, yet stil he is listed as Tim tackets Instructor in Sweden.

4, hardgrave Lineage in östersund. These never answer my emails, they train in traditional Kung Fu suits with coloured sashes and everything

5. Johan skålberg in Gothenburgh, He has the same Vunak Apprentice istructor certificae as s many have, but he teaches 100% kali

Lets say I move to germany. What would be your sponatneous advice who is certified and authentic and who is only using the JKD name for their own benefit. From only Internet knowledge my impression is that pretty much all JKD in Germany can be traced back to Udo muller I think his name is.. Am I correct, is he the one who brought JKD to germany. Another name that I consider a 2big name is Frank ....../something, sorry Frank for not remebering you surname.

SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

I went through the list. Almost 60 schools! Germany is of course a bigger country than sweden, but even if you put all the Scandinavian countries together we are not even near to the number of JKD schools you have in Germany.

The obvious question is

How manyof these 60 Scholls represent the "JKD Concepts" approach and how many represent the "Jun Fan JKD" approach?

/SteFan

[salurian]

Thank You, I will chech the site.

But what i was looking for was your personal oppinion, what first comes to you mind, some honesty without a fuss. For example. When I think about the JKd situation in Sweden what first comes to mind is

1. JKD Concepts under Rich tuchi in Malmö. He has done the right thing, he is authoriced

2. PFS in Norrköping, a paul Vunak instructor, never met him, but he might be one of those people who take an apprentice instructor fron Vunak and never see hiom again and market themselves year after year as a authoriced Vunak instructor.

3. Tim tacket in Stockholm, well, he has organiced one seminar with Tim, he himself says he is a lameco Instructor with JKD instructor, yet stil he is listed as Tim tackets Instructor in Sweden.

4, hardgrave Lineage in östersund. These never answer my emails, they train in traditional Kung Fu suits with coloured sashes and everything

5. Johan skålberg in Gothenburgh, He has the same Vunak Apprentice istructor certificae as s many have, but he teaches 100% kali

Lets say I move to germany. What would be your sponatneous advice who is certified and authentic and who is only using the JKD name for their own benefit. From only Internet knowledge my impression is that pretty much all JKD in Germany can be traced back to Udo muller I think his name is.. Am I correct, is he the one who brought JKD to germany. Another name that I consider a 2big name is Frank ....../something, sorry Frank for not remebering you surname.

SteFan


There is also a lineage under Sifu Bustillo in germany with instructors in Schwerin, Bad Münder, Lübeck, Gießen, Berlin, Frankfurt and for sure some I don´t recognise.

[jkdberlin]

Another name that I consider a 2big name is Frank ....../something, sorry Frank for not remebering you surname.


Who is this guy? :)

[re:torte]

I went through the list. Almost 60 schools! Germany is of course a bigger country than sweden, but even if you put all the Scandinavian countries together we are not even near to the number of JKD schools you have in Germany.

The obvious question is

How manyof these 60 Scholls represent the "JKD Concepts" approach and how many represent the "Jun Fan JKD" approach?

/SteFan

most of them (nearly 95 %) are Concept- Schools

[SteFanJKD]

Who is this guy?

Frank Burczynski !



There is also a lineage under Sifu Bustillo in germany with instructors in Schwerin, Bad Münder, Lübeck, Gießen, Berlin, Frankfurt and for sure some I don´t recognise.

I got banned from asking this question ona Forum. There was aguy who critisiced my Jun Fan JKD a lot. All of a sudden he said he was a Full Instructor under Bustillo, after 2-3 seminars. I asked what it took tobecome a full Instructor, and I was banned since they said it was a personal insult on this person.

I still haven't got an answer. What it said on the certificate was that he was a Full Instructor at the MIB Academys Training programme. He claimed to be a Full Instructor in JKD since JKD is part of the IMB academy Curriculum.

I would be glad if anyone had information about this, what kind of a certification system does Richard Bustillo have, does he has one for his school, the IMB academy, and one for his private students in JKD, kali etc.


most of them (nearly 95 %) are Concept- Schools

Who would you say are the representatives of the 5% that is left, that would probably be Jun fan JKD.

/SteFan

[angHell]

didn't checked it again? Look in the signature of jkdberlin, the founder of the KKB and the author of a book about JKD... ;) :D

[FCVT]

Frank Burczynski !



/SteFan

you´re talking with him... haha

[SteFanJKD]

Look in the signature of jkdberlin, the founder of the KKB and the author of a book about JKD...

What can I say, I have never been intrested in finding out who I am communicating with. It was intresting that I had been talking on the Fiorum with this Frank guy :)

I am only intrested in JKD, I am intrested in JKD Concepts and Jun fan JKD, I am intrested in the knowledge I get from discussion with people from jun fan and Concepts. This is what I use the Internet for. To be honest, the Internet world is so far from reality in my world that i don't care about the names and persons in this world.

But now I know that jkdberlin is this frank guy, and still it is no near reality to have discussion on Internet with this person, I could care less who I am talking to, I get no whatsoever personal realtionship or friendship feelings from neither Frank or jkdberlin. The only things that is real to me is actually meeting another peron in real life. Yeas, I know, I am old... Idon't understand that Internet is the reality of oday :(

Who knows, maybe we will meet in my world one day. When that day comes I hope that the person people think I am on Internet will be the same that I am in Real Life.

From experience I know that I am not to popular on many Forums I write, they call me a besserwsser, bruce Lee wannabe, cult leader etc. I have no problem with this because these comments are 100% from people who have never met me personally, in real life... where it counts :)

/SteFan

[Tangkapan]

Frank Burczynski !




I got banned from asking this question ona Forum. There was aguy who critisiced my Jun Fan JKD a lot. All of a sudden he said he was a Full Instructor under Bustillo, after 2-3 seminars. I asked what it took tobecome a full Instructor, and I was banned since they said it was a personal insult on this person.

I still haven't got an answer. What it said on the certificate was that he was a Full Instructor at the MIB Academys Training programme. He claimed to be a Full Instructor in JKD since JKD is part of the IMB academy Curriculum.

I would be glad if anyone had information about this, what kind of a certification system does Richard Bustillo have, does he has one for his school, the IMB academy, and one for his private students in JKD, kali etc.



Who would you say are the representatives of the 5% that is left, that would probably be Jun fan JKD.

/SteFan

I know who you are talking about.
But i think you should contact Richard Bustillo directly to get an answer.. Its always better to go to the source instead asking around for 3. hand oppinions in a forum. It might look a bit suspicious.
And by the way its IMB not MIB, but i think you just had a typing error :-)

[salurian]

Yes, better go to the source directly.
To become IMB full instructor you need to go through the student levels and recommended to be accepted for apprentice instructor, then associate instructor and after that full instructor. That is the way to go.

[SteFanJKD]

IMB, At least I got it rigt one time, that is 50% correct! Those who know me knows that it is above average :(


Yes, better go to the source directly.


Well, I am not that intrested, it was only one of those things I think about. it is the same with paul Vunak. I have heard stories about how you pay for a weekend Privat training and get certified after that.

I think that Karate and other Traditional school has a better system. No way you could fake a Black belt , open Karate school and say you are a Black belt instructor.

First of all even someone who has never trained karate , even a 6 year old would see that you don't know Karate. second of all, the karate community would put a stop to it by asking for a official certificate authoriced by the all japan karate Federation.

I wish JKD would be like that, then we would have "No Fuss" in the JKD world.

/SteFan

[Tangkapan]

IMB, At least I got it rigt one time, that is 50% correct! Those who know me knows that it is above average :(



Well, I am not that intrested, it was only one of those things I think about. it is the same with paul Vunak. I have heard stories about how you pay for a weekend Privat training and get certified after that.

I think that Karate and other Traditional school has a better system. No way you could fake a Black belt , open Karate school and say you are a Black belt instructor.

First of all even someone who has never trained karate , even a 6 year old would see that you don't know Karate. second of all, the karate community would put a stop to it by asking for a official certificate authoriced by the all japan karate Federation.

I wish JKD would be like that, then we would have "No Fuss" in the JKD world.

/SteFan

Stefan
don't worry..
Everywhere when people decide rules or regulatons its like that. Even in Karate. Different Organisations with different Rules.
Money counts. But the person who is willing to pay must ask himself if that bullshit is really worth it.

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I think lots of stuff is ripped out of it´s context sometimes.

It is true that you can "pay Paul Vunak for a weekend of training and get certified".

Sounds cheesy?

If you look up the website and have access to the DOM page you will find out what it is about. Vunak offers to teach you a 10 hr hardcore crash course in PFS streetfighting and self defense techniques. He states it is the same program he successfully taught to the military etc.
The certification means you are allowed to share THIS PROGRAM which you did with him in the 10 hrs with others in order to LEARN and COMPREHEND that stuff further by teaching it to others.
The certification is "apprentice instructor" in PFS. You are allowed to use his name and logo but you are not allowed to:

-open a PFS school
-make PFS instructors yourself

However being an apprentice instructor you have to complete a fixed number of hrs with VU to be able to proceed to the next level.

Per se, i dont see that as a bad thing. I imagine the stuff to be like krav maga in a way, like very stressful scenarios, very little sophisticated or complicated techniques.

The way i understand it is the certificate just means, what it means:
you had 10hrs private instruction with VU at his house in this streetselfdefense PFS version and you are allowed to share it with others and to state you have had 10 hrs of private instruction with VU. If he makes it a hard time and you pick up something that you can use, why not?
There is no mistake to how many hrs you had and what the rank means, so i think there is nothing bad to it.

As far as bustillo is concerned i know it to be like Tobias stated. There is student levels, then you get apprentice, associate and full instructor. On the last seminar, where he promoted my friend bernd balser to IMB full instructor, he said they now very hesitantly give out associate and higher cause they found out it gets to peoples heads to fast :D

As far as i know the IMB program consists of Stickfighting, Muay Thai and a groundfighting style, all trained with a "JKD concepts" mindset of openmindedness, non classicalness and simplicity. While i know RB teaches the Jun Fan Gung Fu for historical reasons i dont know if thats really a big part of the IMB system or if he refers to his IMB as his interpretation of the JKD concepts he picked up while training with Bruce Lee.

[jkdberlin]

Who knows, maybe we will meet in my world one day. When that day comes I hope that the person people think I am on Internet will be the same that I am in Real Life.

Hi tefan

Usually I am in Stockholm twice a year, last time two weeks ago, next time probably in November. Until now I stayed at the Nacka Quality Inn Hotel, but next time might be another place as the Academy I am training at is moving in pril. I'll let you know and we maybe can meet for Dinner (Hermans Restaurang, Fjällgatan 238, 11628 Stockholm is my fave :)) and discuss real world issues :)

Anyway, I am pretty handy and friendly in real life...I think...

Greetings

[SteFanJKD]

When it comes to Ted I remeber when Istarted training with him. Everybody said that i should not bother since Ted was famous for not certificating people. Imagine my surprise when I got my certificate after arealy short time ;)

Frank, 2 weeks ago, I wish I had contacted the german Forum sooner. I look forwrard to seeing you the next time you are in stockholm, I live about 40 minutes by car from Nacka, In a town called Nynäshamn on the outside of the region Stockholm

I would at the same time let everybody on the Forum know that if you are in stockholm, please let me know.

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

Frank, 2 weeks ago, I wish I had contacted the german Forum sooner. I look forwrard to seeing you the next time you are in stockholm, I live about 40 minutes by car from Nacka, In a town called Nynäshamn on the outside of the region Stockholm

Easy, there will be a next time in November...late this year, usually it was September...way warmer :)

[SteFanJKD]

Well, my birthday is in September so if you come in september I would expect a birtrhday present :)

This is how JKD should be. When I went to the Norwegian forum I asked if the Norwegian forum and Norway would become the first Forum where JKD Concepts and jun fan JKD actually could get along. The same in Finalnd and sweden, evn Poland and romania.

Unfortnately the situation is what it is. I must say that the German forum is something Fresh. Who knows, maybe we can arrange something special, a seminar that has both an authoriced Jun fan JKD nstructor with authrorication through a certified JKD isntructor directly from Bruce Lee with a JKd Concepts instructor with certification from the same sorce.

Maybe Sweden and germany will be the countries that will show the rest of the JKD world that we actually can getv along "without any fuss", tyhat we will ead the way for others to follow.

/Stefan

[Tangkapan]

I think lots of stuff is ripped out of it´s context sometimes.

It is true that you can "pay Paul Vunak for a weekend of training and get certified".

Sounds cheesy?

If you look up the website and have access to the DOM page you will find out what it is about. Vunak offers to teach you a 10 hr hardcore crash course in PFS streetfighting and self defense techniques. He states it is the same program he successfully taught to the military etc.
The certification means you are allowed to share THIS PROGRAM which you did with him in the 10 hrs with others in order to LEARN and COMPREHEND that stuff further by teaching it to others.
The certification is "apprentice instructor" in PFS. You are allowed to use his name and logo but you are not allowed to:

-open a PFS school
-make PFS instructors yourself

However being an apprentice instructor you have to complete a fixed number of hrs with VU to be able to proceed to the next level.

Per se, i dont see that as a bad thing. I imagine the stuff to be like krav maga in a way, like very stressful scenarios, very little sophisticated or complicated techniques.

The way i understand it is the certificate just means, what it means:
you had 10hrs private instruction with VU at his house in this streetselfdefense PFS version and you are allowed to share it with others and to state you have had 10 hrs of private instruction with VU. If he makes it a hard time and you pick up something that you can use, why not?
There is no mistake to how many hrs you had and what the rank means, so i think there is nothing bad to it.

As far as bustillo is concerned i know it to be like Tobias stated. There is student levels, then you get apprentice, associate and full instructor. On the last seminar, where he promoted my friend bernd balser to IMB full instructor, he said they now very hesitantly give out associate and higher cause they found out it gets to peoples heads to fast :D

As far as i know the IMB program consists of Stickfighting, Muay Thai and a groundfighting style, all trained with a "JKD concepts" mindset of openmindedness, non classicalness and simplicity. While i know RB teaches the Jun Fan Gung Fu for historical reasons i dont know if thats really a big part of the IMB system or if he refers to his IMB as his interpretation of the JKD concepts he picked up while training with Bruce Lee.

100% true

[angHell]

if you want to have a look:

nice stuff imo, seminar with frank:

YouTube - Seminar_JKD_saturday_vol1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22PvoaHbZ90)

YouTube - Seminar_JKD_saturday_vol2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mo7fT6Mbk)

and here a nice docu about one of his MMA-Fighters and his preparation for a competition (in german, 3 parts):

YouTube - Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof - Ansichten eines Free Fighters. Teil 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb6q7TZBVo)

YouTube - Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof - Ansichten eines Free Fighters. Teil 2/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKq4Gax6yzc)

YouTube - Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof - Ansichten eines Free Fighters. Teil 3/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHA83dlmxMU)

[SteFanJKD]

YouTube - Seminar_JKD_saturday_vol1

I liked the clip. Pretty much what i teach, It might be that it was not shown correctly because he was demonstarting the Rear cross but here I saw something that is different from my JKD, and that is the use of Footwork.

What i spontaneously think is that was there taught any other way of Punching, any other structure to punch and kick from in the seminar? If this is what is being trained 100%, if this is the only thing on a curriculum or on a seminar, then I would call it JKD. If what is being shown here is part of other styles this person trains and teaches, lets say 30 this JKD shown, 30 Muay Thay 30 % kali I would say that he is a Mixed Martial Artist, that it should not be marketed on youtube as a "JKD seminar".


YouTube - Seminar_JKD_saturday_vol2

Before you continue to read. Please keep in mind that I am commenting from my point of view, i am not critisicing saying that something is wrong.

The first thing that i saw is what always makes me wonder. Why is everybody training from Left lead? The Instructore demonstyrates in Right Lead, which makes it a JKD principle if one is right Handed. If it is JKD seminar, why is everybody training in Left lead?

When the Clip continues I see more Kickboxing than JKD. I know that the Larry Hartsell representative does it exactle the same and calls it jun fan kickboxing. I don't think that one shouls tecah The Lead, Rear parries and covers like is done after 4.00 in a JKd seminar. This is more kixkboxing to me tha JKD.

In TWJKD we would use the "Biu Sau dar" instead of a Cover. To me the cover is designed for wearing a boxing Glove that absorbs much ov the energy. I would not use the cover without gloves if somebody is throwing a "haymaker" at you. I would do the same as Frank said. Intercept with the Hit, the hit is the most important, If I miss the hit I would parry. Cover is not an option i TWJKD.

I saw a part 1-3 on sunday, can you handle my comments as simply comments, not politics and "my jkd is beter than yours" ;)

The 2 last comments on You Tube pretty much sums it up

Yes, JKD is all, all is JKD ;)
SORRY BUT i THAT...this is not jkd but mma...

I definitely understand that some kind of Grappling skill is needed, that one should go to BJJ ordo the shhotfighting approach of Larry hartsell to lunderstans grappling. But it should not be part of a JKD seminar. To be totally honest it should say "2 day seminar, ! day JKD, kali or whatever and day to BJJ and shootfighting)

This is what i went through when I started my JKD Jorney, It was Rich Tuchi and Larry Harstel.. I felt cheated because i was promised a JKD seminar, but learned more Grappling, kali and silat etc tha JKD.

I think I have a clip that will demonstrate what i consider would be a JKD seminar with Groundfighting and not Grappling. But at the moment i have some problems with YouTube, and i received a phonecall from my wife.She wants me to pick her up and go shopping. Sio !I'll be baxk"

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

Nice, thanks. Just to make it clear, the seminar was announced as a "JKD + Grappling" Seminar, concretise the saturday for JKD only, the Sunday for MMA + Grappling only.
I rarely teach two days JKD only seminars, as I made the experience that on a seminar most of the underlying principles will get lost due to exhaustion of the mind and body. So I usually have at least one or two parts more, namely MMA or/and Grappling. I never mix these parts, they are advertied and done distinguishly.
A seminar for me is a little bit more than a trailer for a movie...people should get at taste of what is being shown and trained, and sometimes, when you are already in the material, you can get one or two different ideas or approaches. But I never substitute training for seminars.

Greetings

[jkdberlin]

Ups, sorry, one more thing:
right vs. left... I always teach my JKD seminars in the right lead. I was taught this way and teach it that way. Even when Sifu Larry used the left lead when teaching.
And I ask the participants to have their strong side forward. For some, this seems to be the left side, as some are training in the left lead for some time (be it month or years). I will not change that in the course of a seminar. If they believe that their left side is the strong side (and they are not left-handed) because they trained their "martial arts life" using the left side forward, so be it. Nevertheless I adress the problem and I will definitly work on that during training. But on seminars there might not be the time.
Guro Dan once told me that he asked to put the strong side forward, so people can train at least the principles during the small amount of time. If they trained the left side forward for years, their left side might be the stronger, more coordinated side anyway.

[Gin Lai]

I agree, Frank. But is it really the "stronger side" when working in a left lead though being a natural "righty"? Or is it rather that the side you are more accustomed to use is being put in front? Do they really have more power in their left hand and left feet; hitting and kicking harder? Are they really more coordinated and more sensitive with their left side weapons? Do they, for instance, write, brush their teeth, paint, comb their hair, or hammer a nail into the wall all with the left hand? I doubt it. What kinda strong side is it then?
I most likely think, that they just don´t want to change their training habits, which consequently leads to a totally different "strong side forward attitude", imho. They keep jabbing with their left, preparing for the powershot with their right. Totally different animal.
But I agree that you can´t change this within a weekend seminar.

[SteFanJKD]

Nice, thanks. Just to make it clear, the seminar was announced as a "JKD + Grappling" Seminar, concretise the saturday for JKD only, the Sunday for MMA + Grappling only.

That is good, I wish that instructors would have been just as honest when they marketed the JKD semianrs I went to seminars with larry, Rich tuchi and others. Maybe if they had been more honest I wold not have such a bad memories from JKD Concepts as I have.

I have never taught anything else tha JKD in my schools or seminars. This is because I have never trained for example Grappling with the intention of getting good enough to represent that specific method. I have always dedicated myself 100% to JKD and how I can apply all knowledge I get from other styles to JKD. I don't feel it would be respectful to example Shootfighting if i would put shootfighting officialy in my school and on my seminarprogram.


If they trained the left side forward for years, their left side might be the stronger, more coordinated side anyway.

You are right, but the TWJKD approach is that what if had all these years trained Right side instead of Left from the beginning, How much better than the Left hand would the right hand be after 10 years.

This is also why I have everybody training with the right hand forward. I totally agree that a seminar is like a movietrailer. having Strong Side Fprward is a big part of JKD, therefore this is according to me a very important experience to find about what is specifik to JKD.

But I can stil understand why you would put the left hand forward to tecah the Left Lead as the stronger hand in martial arts for somebody who is righthanded, we simply have differenth paths up to the mountain I share the little Grappling knowledge I have but the training with me is alla bout learning to apply it to JKD, not try to learn something about Grappling. For this I have my students visit a Grappling school.

here is aclip where I show my approach to teaching "Grappling".

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[jkdberlin]

I agree, Frank. But is it really the "stronger side" when working in a left lead though being a natural "righty"? ...
But I agree that you can´t change this within a weekend seminar.

Hi Micha
I think we are both on the same track here, as you know. In a seminar with 3 - 4 hours (actually it was a 6 hour per day seminar in Prague :)) I don't waste too much time on that. I ask them to put the right hand forward, the strong side forward if they are righties and explain why they should do that. If they still don't do it I don't bother much in a seminar. They will miss it. Sometimes, like there, it might be the language barrier - I don't know. I agree that they still Jab and prepare more for the rear hand, but one day, even 6 hours, is too short to change that habit.


That is good, I wish that instructors would have been just as honest when they marketed the JKD semianrs I went to seminars with larry, Rich tuchi and others. Maybe if they had been more honest I wold not have such a bad memories from JKD Concepts as I have.

Well, most of the times its nt the instructors but the local hosts who are promoting seminars. JKD sells. That is probably a reason why they do it. I don't like it but the local promoter has the bill to pay so that may be his reason for promoting the seminar that way.


You are right, but the TWJKD approach is that what if had all these years trained Right side instead of Left from the beginning, How much better than the Left hand would the right hand be after 10 years.

...having Strong Side Fprward is a big part of JKD, therefore this is according to me a very important experience to find about what is specifik to JKD.

That's great, but there is still the "if" :) I agree with that totally.


But I can stil understand why you would put the left hand forward to tecah the Left Lead as the stronger hand in martial arts for somebody who is righthanded, we simply have differenth paths up to the mountain

Don't get me wrong here: I don't put the left hand in front when I teach JKD. I always train with my right side in front in JKD. The onmly time when I am left side forward in JKD is when I demonstrate something and play the part of the lefty.


I share the little Grappling knowledge I have but the training with me is alla bout learning to apply it to JKD, not try to learn something about Grappling.

We are on the same path here. In JKD my approach is more:
- don't go to the ground.
- If on the ground, stand up as soon as possible
- don't grapple, counter and get up.

but of course on the other hand I am an avid BJJ and Luta Livre / No Gi grappler and I love the arts of Grappling. I train and teach Grappling, be it with or without the Gi, be it with or without punching.
But I at least try to never mix it up with my self defense or JKD approach. This is a very different part, a different approach.

Greetings

[SteFanJKD]

but of course on the other hand I am an avid BJJ and Luta Livre / No Gi grappler and I love the arts of Grappling.

So do I. I am 168 cm and have always weighed around 80 KG, with very Low bodyfat, now I still weigh around 80 kg, unfortunately with a litter more bodyfat :(

I consider myself very strong, and after starting to train powerfactor Training I became realy strong. You add to that the fact that I am very agile I think I was realy made for Grappling.

What i noticed when I was training a lot of Grappling was that it became "Too natutal" for me to Grapple once I was on the ground, I forgot tio hit and get back up, I enjoyed Grappling too much. This is when I took the decision not to train Grappling anymore, I felt I knew enough to be able to handle myself on the ground if some asshole would get me down in a selfdefense situation outside a bar or at a party or just because he wants to have fun beating up an old guy.

If that asshole would be an good BJJ or MMA guy I would probably get my ass kicked, but not without giving a good fight ;) And even if i loose I could still be proud of myself as a martial artist and the asshole who wanted to fight with me would still be an asshole for the rest of his life

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

What i noticed when I was training a lot of Grappling was that it became "Too natutal" for me to Grapple once I was on the ground, I forgot tio hit and get back up, I enjoyed Grappling too much.

This is why I still train the MMA part and the Self Defense part beside the Gi and No Gi Part.
But I agree, in my age I enjoy the rolling more than the hitting. Especially since my last real altercation is back more than 10 years. Maybe time to move on ...

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