Selbstlernkurse auf Youtube etc.

[mehmet-1997]

Hallo JKDler,
ich trainiere gerade mit meinem Cousin JKD nach Master Wong.
Allerdings ieht das, was er macht, ganz anders aus, als in den BL Filmen.

Gibt es da besseres Maerial zum Selbststudium.

Danke,

Mehmet

BTW. Bitte nicht 'aus Youtube kann man eh nichts lernen'.
Ich interssiere mich brennend und kann mir scheine Schule leisten.
Im Verein gibt es nur Shotokan Karate, Aikido und Judo.

[DerLenny]

Gibt es da wirklich einen YT Fernkurs, oder habt ihr DVDs von Herrn Wong? Wie funktioniert das denn? Schick doch mal einen Link, damit wir uns hier ein Bild machen können.
Ich kenne zwar ein paar seiner Videos (und fand sie sehr unterhaltsam), dachte aber nicht, dass er einen Onlinekurs hat.

[Icewing]

und so ne grosse Überraschung ist das eigentlich nicht, dass das ein wenig anders aussieht, als die Sachen, die in Kinofilmen gemacht werden.

Sowas soll es bei anderen Kampfkünsten auch schon gegeben haben :ups:

[mrx085]

Ich persönlich bin solchen Selbstlerne Kursen ja skeptisch eingestellt. Ein langjähriger KKler, der neue Bewegungen mit leichtigkeit lernen kann, könnte von so einem Kurs vielleicht einen nutzen ziehen. Leute die mit der Materie nicht viel zu tun haben, sind meines Nach ein einer Schule wesentlich besser aufgehoben. Den nur durch Zuschauen und nachmachen, ohne Korrektur durch einen erfahrenen Lehrer kann man wohl kaum eine KKlernen.:rolleyes: Für mich wäre ja so ein effektiver Online kurs recht praktisch, da könnte ich Systeme erlernen, die mich brennend interssieren, es aber in meiner Umgebung nicht gibt (FMA, JKD und VT). Allerdings halte ich es für fraglich ob es sowas jemals geben wird. Und selbst wenn, ist es immer noch die zweite Wahl, es geht nichts über einen Lehrer aus Fleisch und Blut, der einen die ganzen Feinheiten erklärt, die man braucht um eine KK zu erlernen. Ich hoffe, das die Begesiterung des TEs bald verschwindet und er sich eine richtige Schule sucht. Da ist seine offensichtlich verhandene Energie wesentlich besser aufgehoben, als beim Videolernen.

[Franz]

soll er halt mal hier schauen
http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f48/jkd-stuttgart-umgebung-12423/

[mehmet-1997]

Gibt es da wirklich einen YT Fernkurs, oder habt ihr DVDs von Herrn Wong? Wie funktioniert das denn? Schick doch mal einen Link, damit wir uns hier ein Bild machen können.
Ich kenne zwar ein paar seiner Videos (und fand sie sehr unterhaltsam), dachte aber nicht, dass er einen Onlinekurs hat.



YouTube - JKD Bodyweapon (G.F.2) Master Wong System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cxJt2hCq4&playnext=1&list=PLBAE0D473EAB7638C)

[re:torte]

wer ist Master Wong und woher hat er sein JKD?

[mehmet-1997]

wer ist Master Wong und woher hat er sein JKD?
Keine Ahnung, ehrlich gesagt.

[mehmet-1997]

Ich muss aber sagen, dass das Master Wong Zeug funktioniert.
Ich habe mit dem Training begonnen, weil ich wegen meines Deutschs und meiner Herkunft ständig gehänselt wurde. Verhauen wurde ich auch mindestens einmal die Woche. Die großen Ferien 2010 hab ich komplett mit meinem Cousin durchtrainiert und dazu Kraft- und Abhärtungstraining gemacht. Nach den Ferien gabs erst mal rundrum was auf die Fresse. Keiner in meiner Klasse schaut mich mehr schief an.

Von meiner Deutschlehrerin lies ich mir vor 2 Jahren DVDs zum Deutsch lernen geben. Heute ist mein Deutsch besser, als das der meisten Deutschen in meiner Klasse. Kommt mir also nicht, man könne im Selbststudium nichts lernen.

[Paul_Kersey]

Ich muss aber sagen, dass das Master Wong Zeug funktioniert.
Ich habe mit dem Training begonnen, weil ich wegen meines Deutschs und meiner Herkunft ständig gehänselt wurde. Verhauen wurde ich auch mindestens einmal die Woche. Die großen Ferien 2010 hab ich komplett mit meinem Cousin durchtrainiert und dazu Kraft- und Abhärtungstraining gemacht. Nach den Ferien gabs erst mal rundrum was auf die Fresse. Keiner in meiner Klasse schaut mich mehr schief an.

Von meiner Deutschlehrerin lies ich mir vor 2 Jahren DVDs zum Deutsch lernen geben. Heute ist mein Deutsch besser, als das der meisten Deutschen in meiner Klasse. Kommt mir also nicht, man könne im Selbststudium nichts lernen.

Siiiiiiischa! ;)

Hier, das dürfte genau das richtige für dich sein: Real JKD Online Course (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48rz8udZBmQ)

[Cyankali]

Lag bestimmt an deinen unglaublichen Skills, das du dir im Selbststudium beigebracht hast. Nö, eher an der Tatsache, dass du eben auch Mut gezeigt hast, dich zu wehren. Aus dem Internet lernen - bin mir sicher, du machst nicht mal eine ordentliche Faust und von allem anderen spreche ich gar nicht. Wenn ich mir überlege, was ich noch vor Monaten noch alles falsch mache oder immer noch mache. Herrje, aus dem Internet :[



"Von meiner Deutschlehrerin lies ich mir vor 2 Jahren DVDs zum Deutsch lernen geben. Heute ist mein Deutsch besser, als das der meisten Deutschen in meiner Klasse. Kommt mir also nicht, man könne im Selbststudium nichts lernen."

Eine Sprache kann man auch nur lernen, wenn man mit Muttersprachlerin spricht und auch nur bedingt im Selbststudium. Ich habe mir selber spanisch beigebracht, auch ein Jahr darauf eine Sprachschule und ich musste feststellen, dass ich zwar grammatikalisch sehr gut bin, aber Sprache wird anders gesprochen (Fiasko).
Theorie kannst du dir im Selbststudium beibringen - ich kann auch als Laie dir in allen Einzelheiten sagen, wie man einen Kick macht. Aber dann wirklich machen und für sich selber ohne kritisches Auge überprüfen, ob man es richtig macht. Das geht nur in einem Verein. Du hast einfach im Selbststudium kein Feedback. Natürlich besser als nichts, das dürfte klar sein. Aber Kämpfen lernen ist nicht.

[amasbaal]

macht keinen sinn. der ist beratungsresistent:
http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f43/einige-fragen-kenner-128831/#post2508244 (und folgende)

[senior_hombre]

Wahnsinn :ups: .... Master Wong ist einfach cool, wer was anderes sagt ist ein Mädchen!

[SteFanJKD]

I have only a coupleof question that will answer all my questions about this instructor.

1. What is his lineage in JKD?

that pretty much answers everything. If this person can show some documents about who has certified him and how many years he has dedicated himself to that instructor to get certified is what I base my oppinion of a instructor I have never met.

I have seen JKd Instructors with a certificate lists that are so long that I don't take them seriously. If I see one instructor with 50 Apprentice instructors certificates or Black Belts in different styles I don't take their knowledge too seriosly.

If I want to learn for example JKD I would go to that person who only has 1 certificate by one instructor. He might have trained with 50 other JKD instructors or other styles instructors, but not so much that he has earned a instructors certificate under them.

When I see this persons "merit list" I think
-This person must know something about JKD ;)

/SteFan

[Papatom]

Maste Wong kann alles :p

Gruß

[Paul_Kersey]

Maste Wong kann alles :p

Gruß

Nur kein akzentfreies Englisch :D

[quirl]

Aber das können auch die wenigsten Native Speaker^^

[cbJKD Wilfried]

If I want to learn for example JKD I would go to that person who only has 1 certificate by one instructor. He might have trained with 50 other JKD instructors or other styles instructors, but not so much that he has earned a instructors certificate under them.

I dont get that idea. You would intentionally train with a guy that has surface knowledge with 50 instructors of which only one thought he was capable or skillfull enough to teach their material? Do you mean in "jeet kune do" or in general?

I would be far more suspicous about a guy like that, then about a guy who earned instructor level in the progressions he choose to follow at one time of his life for any reason. I would tend to believe he switched his instructors until he found one that certified him and that always can get a negative ring of "buying certification" or something like that, even if it wasnt true.

If in general i would agree that a guy with 50 yellow and green belts in diffrent martial arts cannot be taken too seriously in terms of in depth-knowledge of this arts and commitment to one art.

If meant JKD wise, i would have the exact opposite oppinion of yours. If a person decides to train with "50" instructors in Jeet Kune Do and doesnt earn instructor certification eventually, to me he is a "JKD tourist". I would really stress that i think, somebody who continues to train with many diffrent instructors and dont eventually get certified, shows a lack of knowledge or skill more then "commitment" and "dedication".

If that person saw Bruce Lee student XY for just one seminar and never committed himself to train under them formally that´s fine and part of decision making/cutting the BS process.

But on the other hand i wouldnt think he was to be taken seriously if talking about that instructor or his progression to the art or comparing it to others on a level that exceeds personal preference or "like/dislike" of how the instructor conducts himself.

Even watching videos cant change that, since i never have met any instructor yet, that doesnt teacher finer points or things diffrently in person than he does on his tapes - cause tapes are not meant to instruct people even if labelled "instructional" - they are used to create interest so that a prospective student approaches the teacher for personal instruction.

I also think that some topics can only be discussed at any decent level of quality and exchange of knowledge with instructors of that lineage!

You are only qualified to compare training progressions if you actually progressed through it to an instructor level. Otherwise you are "just a student"...it´s obvious you cannot discuss Karate strategies/training progression/effectiveness with a yellow or green belt, because he dont know sh*it about it yet and might base his opinions on his very limited experience.

If he is a blackbelt in his art, then your questions apply: Lineage? Overall experience? specific time with the instructor? In a nutshell: Does he know what he wants to talk about at all or not.

Would you explain your statements further?

Wilfried

[SteFanJKD]

What I am saying is this.

It took me 6 years of hard training to earn my Black Belt in Karate, I dedicated myself 100% to the training. If I simoultaneously would have trained for a Judo Black Belt and dedicated myself 100% to Judo it would have taken me 12 years with the same dedicatinon and strive for perfection in both methods. If I would not have been satisfied with a 50% Black belt in both styles in 6 years of course ;) Add 2 more styles and we are up to 24 years, and we have only started to reach the higher understanding of one of these arts, not even started to perfect it, maki it spontaneous, taeching our body to use the style "without thinking", as "no style", making the style "hit all by itself"

When I started to train JKD my firts obvious choice was JKd Concepts. Most teachers, if not all teached kali, muay Thay, silat, Jun Fan gung Fu and had insntructotships in this.. I did not feel that I was getting 100% Kali knowledge, 100%. Muay Thai knowledge, silat knowledge from these Instructors.

The more I trained and the more I reserached I started to train Kali with a Kali Instructor to get 100% kali knowledge, and I started to look for a JKd instructor that had trained 100% in that style to get JKD knowledge.

So when I met Ted, that had trained 100% 365 days 53 weeks a year JKD, 7 days a week 24 hour a day JKD I was getting the information and under standing I was looking for in JKD.

Sure, I was not training Silat with Leo Gaje, I was training with his Scandinavian representative. And if I had met Leo I might train slat today, who knows. But I had met the Scandinavian JKd Concepts representative as well as the Silat representives and they had not managed to inspire me to get deeper into their method and train with the highest ranked in their method.

Basically what I am saying is. When you are looking for your own truth I would recommend to train with an Instructor who has given 100% to his style for many years, not crosstraining and teaching many other styles. If you want to learn kali, go to an Instructor that has been training only kali for 20-40 years. If you want to Learn Jun Fan Gung Fu or Jun Fan JKD, go to an instructor that has been training this, and only this for 20-30 yeras,

This is my recommendation in the Daily Increase in everybodys personal JKd journey. If someone thinks that they will get the same knowledge from an Instructor that during the last 20-40 years has trained, teached and earned ranks in 4-5 different styles It is their choice.

I am only saying that I consider that one gets more knowledge about something from somebody who has dedicated himself 20-30 years 100% on one speciofic subject that from the one that this specific subject is one of 4 other specific subject.

The only certificates I have earned that I am proud of is my Black Belt and my TWJKD. I gave Karate 100% 24/7 and I have given TWJKD 100% 24/7 for over 15 years now. I welcome anyone who shares my point of view to go to someone who has dedicated himself 24/7 for his daily Increase. If someone sees me as "one of those many subjects" I will of course help them the best way I can just as enthusiasly

/SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

If he is a blackbelt in his art, then your questions apply: Lineage? Overall experience? specific time with the instructor? In a nutshell: Does he know what he wants to talk about at all or not.


Of course I question Lineage. We all know that some lineages will give a Black Belt in one year and others in 5-10.

Experience. Obviously! I don't care if you are a JKD "black Belt" and can't evn show or explain a deceant straight Lead you rank is not worth much in "my book". experience to me is both theoretical and practical.

Does someone know what he is talking about? well this i think is the problem in JKD. It seams that you can read a book about JKD and "you automatically know what you are talking about when you have an oppinion on what JKd is?

/SteFan

[jkdberlin]

Althoug I would agree to a degree with that, there is as always another side of the coin. Did you go to school? Do you have a degree? How many subjects did you have in school? Just one? Two? One is able to have a basic understanding of several subjects in a special amount of time. Maybe not the qualification to teach it, but to use it to a certain degree. And than you should be able to specialize....

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Also we should take into account that "jeet kune do" is still "one style". it is not many styles. Even if diffrent instructors place diffrent emphasis on specific parts of the art and dedicated themselves to perfecting it, you still basically enhance your knowledge of the "one style".

In Karate, if you practise "shotokan" in germany under one of the more known associations (DJKB or DKV) you are ENCOURAGED to train with as many teachers, japanese and non japanese, of that style. There is seminars hosting several japanese high rank instructors from the JKA HQ to enhance that knowledge. There is plenty of opportunity to train with really good guys in the field.

I think " noble is the man that chooses a path and sticks to it" ( or something to that degree) has been credited as a Bruce Lee quote. However this may mean you re forever sticking to an incorrect path if you re to narrominded to leave it if necessary.

The fact JKD authorities never managed to unite themselves for more than a short period of time,
shouldnt deem us to narrowmindedness. The BLEF nucleus was the best attempt at this, but as we all know it failed and everybody is on his own again, teaching, recognising instructors etc.

I still think we re on the same page, as you said you always gave 100% in everything you trained. But you can change what you train from time to time and give 100% to diffrent things at diffrent times of your life

Wilfried

[jkdberlin]

Lets take George St. Pierre for example - arguebly one of the best MMA Fighters as of today - he trains in different styles as Karate, Wrestling, BJJ and only two times a week he connects it all in his MMA-Sparring classes. And he gives always a hundred percent, as his teachers are telling.

[SteFanJKD]

Did you go to school? Do you have a degree? How many subjects did you have in school? Just one? Two? One is able to have a basic understanding of several subjects in a special amount of time.

This is what I did. I mostly trained privately with a high ranked practioner, mostly the nr 1 guy in that specific system. We changed techniques and experience.
What I always started the realtionship was that I only wanted to learn the "good stuff", the stuff that he himself coniseraed wortwhile to understand but more importantly apply the style.

as far as training at a school I normally gave 1 year asking questions looking at all the training at the school.


I still think we re on the same page, as you said you always gave 100% in everything you trained. But you can change what you train from time to time and give 100% to diffrent things at diffrent times of your life


It depends if you think that you are were I was before I started to give TWJKD 100%. If so I would say that I don't agree that one should change and train something else for a while and give that 100% If you do that you are still searching for your own truth and has not yet found your truth and started the daily decrease refinemnet of that truth.

I have reached that point that the only time I would give something 100% is if I find something better that what I have. I am constantly looking for this by giving 100% to the theoretical (books, magacines, instructional videoa) to not stagnate in my JKD. I don't get as much actual practical training in others styles like i would like. But even if I had the time I am so long in my Martial arts Journey that my 100% technical and practical Daily Increase days are over.

But in my mind I am always a white Belt, a beginner, looking for more knowledge about martial arts. I am not intrested in different Martial art styles anymore, I have found mine, I am simply intrested in all martial Arts in general and what it can do for my truth, my style. Maybe this is what Bruce lee meant by

"Idon't belive in styles anymore.......I found the cause of my ignorance"


I think " noble is the man that chooses a path and sticks to it" ( or something to that degree) has been credited as a Bruce Lee quote. However this may mean you re forever sticking to an incorrect path if you re to narrominded to leave it if necessary.


You are aboslutely right, I might be sticking to an incorrect plan. But then again, I am so far in my martial arts journey that I feel I have done my Daily Increase, researched my own experinece, added what is useful and rejected what is useles and I am 100% secure in my chosen path.

I don't want to be 60 years old when I start my Daily decrease, perfecting my chosen path. I have chosen my path and I have stuck with it for some years now. Does this make me a noble man? Absolutely not! I believe it makes me a man able ta make a decision, belive in myself and most of all go 100% for what I belive in

/SteFan

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I dont know why you always make it about dedication, giving 100% etc.
I am pretty sure you dont literally give 100%. You have a job, you have a wife, you have health issues, you have kids and you have everyday chores.

So in what sense do you give 100% ?
How did you give 100% to Karate? In what sense? *edit*

Do you mean by 100% you "only" train in that art? or that you train the hardest when you train? or that you use all of your spare time researching and watching videos of that style? That you never eat fastfood, drink coke or do anything harmful to your body?

I think the term "giving 100%" doesnt apply here. If one gives 100% in Karate, he might sell everything he has, move to japan, train in the JKA headquarter or study karate at a japanese university.

If one gives 100% in Jeet Kune Do, he might move to california and train at the Inosanto Academy every single day for an extended period of time and has no other life except training. He might move to seattle and train as much as he can with Taky Kimura, every class, every seminar etc. He will give 100%.

But with us here living in europe, having jobs, familys and only occasionally seeing our instructors overseas we sure dont "give 100%"...we maybe give 100% of the few percent that are leftovers from our normal life, our spare time. But can you really say you give 100% if you dedicate all of your "sparetime"?

I certainly do a lot of travelling and training in jeet kune do and jun fan gung fu and it´s what occupies most of my spare time. But i would never claim i give 100% to JKD, live Jeet Kune Do or anything like that. There is others who do that literally.
I am a little confused. But i think that is a very interesting discussion,
thanks Wilfried

[The-Puncher]

warum wird hier auf einmal englisch geschrieben??

[Sven K.]

warum wird hier auf einmal englisch geschrieben??

Weil ein User hier englischsprachig ist ? :gruebel:

[Cassius666]

Wenn du was falsch machst, merkt das keiner und du wirst nicht berichtigt.

[SteFanJKD]

Just a qick answe. I am on my way to the airport. Going to Norway to share a little of my 100%.

When I say 100% I mean that I give it all my concentration on a chosen subject.

My life consits, like many other, of Working to earn money for rent and food, raising a family and free time.

I don't give my job 100%, it is simply something I do, but when I do it I do it 100% like you said.

I give my family 100%, I don't give another family 100% at the side, or have a mistress that I give 100%.

When it comes to free time one of my few hobbies are martial arts and Fitness training. I have chosen to give one style 100%. I don't have other Styles "on the side" or as a mistress.

Sure, before I met my wife I had a lot of gilfriends, and I gave them all 100%Just as I have trained other styles than JKD before and given them all 100% But to me this was my "daily Increase". I was in search of my truth in martial arts and in Love. What started as a normal 100% dedication has stayed for 21 years with my wife and over 15 years with TWJKD.

I have cut down my working hours to 20 hours a week because of my dedicationto martial arts because work has never been something that I have given 100%. But the last 15 years I have put all my effort on JKD. This sis why I say I have given TWJKD 100%

Sure. I could say I have given my job 20 %, my family 40 % and TWJKD 40%.If I then would train more styles sthan TWJKD the same would be
My job 20%, my family 40 %. JKD 10%, BJj 10%, Kali 10%, muay thai 10%

What I mean when I say I have given TWJKD 100% is beacuse 40% is 100% of my dedication when it comes to my chosen martial art in my life. 10% would be what I call a 25% dedication to each martial I have chosen to train and give of my total dedication .

I don't know if you understand better what I am trying to explain. I will get back and anser more questions after the weekend.

/SteFan

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I see. So you think, training another form of martial art will take away from the 100% you have to give. Training under another instructor would take away from the 100% you may give to TWJKD just as a mistress would take away from the 100% you could give your wife?

i guess i understand. Interesting view. I dont see it the same way, but that´s where we are all diffrent. I think it compliments. You said you have over 1000 tapes, most of which are instructional tapes and you watched them all. Also a lot of tapes/dvd from diffrent JKD instructors / lineages.

Don´t you consider spending so much time with watching dvds of other instructors taking away from your 100%, even if you do it while exercising?

What is the diffrence for you between watching several hundred hours of instructional dvds on jkd by diffrent instructors and looking them up, maybe for the same amount of time to get actual hands on training, which will surely add much more to your understanding of the subject (these instructors approach)?

You said every one of your tapes is an original and that you keep buying videos/magazines etc for your research. I guess the amount of money you spent on that stuff and do still spend could also be used to train with seniors in your lineage or other lineages.

So where is the real diffrence for you? To stay with the mistress analogy, what you do is like inviting the prostitute to your private place where nobody sees her or watch porn DVDs of this and that "actress", instead of "recruiting" her on the strip. You still spend the time with "her", you just dont want to do it in public or formally. Obviously you re still curious about how she does "things" opposed to the way you re wife does it, and spend a lot of time, that´s taking away from the 100% time you could spend with your wife.

So i really dont get the depth of your analogy. I would agree, if you didnt spend ANY time watching, researching, cross referencing other approaches AT ALL and just stay for an infinite amount of time with your "love".


Have a good weekend,
Wilfried

[KingAndy25]

Wusstet ihr das ich Englisch hasse? :D

[cbJKD Wilfried]

I hope you dont get me wrong. Actually i appreciate you researching other interpretations very much, much more as if you were blindly following your sifu without questioning.

I just do think the analogy was bad one. In love and family it´s not about efficiency. I guess you didnt pick your wife because she was the most efficient at sexual activities and am pretty sure you dont keep comparing her "skills" to others constantly to prove your decision wrong.

I just think it´s not ok to say you give TWJKD 100%. Maybe more you give martial arts training 100% and that´s why you ultimately decided on TWJKD.

something like that,
greets
Wilfried

[The-Puncher]

Weil ein User hier englischsprachig ist ? :gruebel:

ah ja ok aber er versteht ja das geschriebene deutsch also

???

wird sich jetzt hier nach minderheiten gerichtet? hab ich was verpasst?

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Nein, SteFan versteht kein deutsch. er kann es nur durch den google translator jagen, das gibt aber nicht viel :D

so schlimm isses doch nicht oder?

KKB tut was für die Bildung :D

[SteFanJKD]

I would say that I understand 70-80% from what I read on the Forum. I get a pretty good idea what is being said. If I am intrested in details I put it in the Googlwe Translator. It is a long time ago, but I took the German language as a third language in school.


I hope you dont get me wrong. Actually i appreciate you researching other interpretations very much, much more as if you were blindly following your sifu without questioning.

I just do think the analogy was bad one

I love your comments, it is great for selfknowledge. Lets see if I can explain it another way.

In pre school we are started on our journey towards, what will become of us in Life. This is pretty much the same as children playing martial arts videogames, do stickfighting with sticks fiound in the wood etc. The important thins not to learn to read and write in preschool, it is simply an introduction.

Then we start school. Now we start to leanr about reading, writing, history, mathematics, physics..... This is what I call the Daily Increase in JKD. After 9 years it is time to decide what suits as, what we want tp specialice in.

This is when we go to High School. 2-3 years of more detailed on a specific subject, but still some more details on raeding, history.. Now we are closing the finalstages of Daily Increase. It is time to go to daily decrease.

College or University!!! Now we choose a specific subject that we like, that suits our personality and goal in life. To me this would bee choosing TWJKD as a "major" in my studies. Sure, I still mght research other stuff, but I am going "100%" for my Major I have chosen, I belive in my major 100%.

When we are done with College some go for proffership in one specific subject, the subject that maybe already existed in our mind in pre school (your personal truth), after trying out different subjects during the years, daily increase, we have found our truth and went to college in search for perfection of that truth. The more we researched the subject, the more we found out there is to do further reserach and dvelopment, this is where th "proffership" comes in, this is what change, refinement and constant development and an open mind is all about.

So when I say I give TWJKD 100% I mean I am going for that Proffership in TWJKD. I found TWJKD in those 9 years of school. For those 3 years in Highs school I still looked at other styles. I chose to specialice in TWJKD in College for 5-6 years and noe I am going for that profership.

I belive that If I would now take another course in College, gor for a second Profership before I have finished this ione It would take me much longer to get these two professorships. Add 2-3 more rounds in Colegee and profferrships instead of sticking to my TWJKD proffeship, constatnly refining it, constantly finding ways to improve my understanding, I would say that I would not give TWJKD 100%- I am giving each proffeship 25%.

What I am saying is that it is fine to have 3-5 diplomas from different Colleges. But if I wanted to learn TWJKD I would go to the one who has a college diploma in TWJKD and a Proffeship in TWJKD. I see Ted Wong as professor in JKD and one college degree in JKD. I see others simply as persons with 4-5 College degrees, of which one is JKD but no proffessorships in any of the styles studied.

I am sure that someone could achieve Proffership in 4-5 different subjects, one in maths, one in History, one in science, one in litterature. I am simply saying that in Martial arts the proffeship also means actual physivcal and technical conditioning that is needed to be upholded. I belive that a TWJKD or any martial arts proffessorship is only valid when one has put time and effort i keeping the proffesorship up to date by constantly training and upholding the knowledge by actual training.



I just think it´s not ok to say you give TWJKD 100%. Maybe more you give martial arts training 100% and that´s why you ultimately decided on TWJKD.


And you are entitled to that oppinion. But maybe I see TWJKD and martial arts training as the same thing :) Maybe I am not intrested in styles anymore, simply in my truth. It only happens that my truth looks very much like ted wongs, like Ted wongs truth looked very much like Bruce Lee's ;)

/SteFan

[cbJKD Wilfried]

Great comments, thanks!

[Robb]

warum wird hier auf einmal englisch geschrieben??

made in Germany:cool:

ich nur die alten Ossis können kein Englisch.

[SteFanJKD]

Ich schriebe in english because ich nicht in deutsch schriben kann. Ich verstehe deutch aber schriben in deutch ist nich der beste veg fur mich fur meine erfarung to dehlen.

That was writen without Google translator. :o Robb, I am sorry if you don't undertand me, But I don't think that you would understand me any better if I would try to write in german.

/SteFan

[Robb]

Sport ist international aber nicht die Sprache. Es hat mich nur etwas gewundert das Sie Englisch in einem Deutschen Forum schreiben.

[SteFanJKD]

I will answer you in English firts and then put it in the Google translator for you.

Why do I write on this Forum? I don't know how much you know about the JKD world. I am one of a few authoriced Ted wong Instructors in Europe. geermany has people using Teds name, some with the full right to do so but others are more questionable.

I see it as my responsiblity as a authoriced representative/instructor in TWJKD to keep my eyes on any country that my instructors name is used.

I also write because I am intrested in JKD, I like to change ideas with other countries, and I have never seen language as a problem. What I have seen is that I have been banned simply because I write in English when avctually most JKD people can't handle the new information I am spreading in a country about JKD. Some Countries welcomes me and want to take part of my JKd knowledge even if I write in English, others simply don't. The same goes with the people writing on the Forum. some people accept that I write in english and others don't.

Everybody has a free choice. If somebody doesn't like that I am writing in English they can simply not read it.

/SteFan

[SteFanJKD]

Ich werde Sie in englischer Sprache flirtet Antwort und legte es dann in den Google-Übersetzer für Sie.

Warum ich auf diesem Forum zu schreiben? Ich weiß nicht, wie viel Sie über die JKD Welt kennen. Ich bin einer der wenigen authoriced Ted Wong Instruktoren in Europa. geermany hat die Menschen mit Teds Namen, einige mit vollem Recht so zu tun, aber andere sind eher fragwürdig.

Ich sehe es als meine Verantwortung unterliegt als authoriced Vertreter / Ausbilder in TWJKD meine Augen auf jedes Land, das mein Lehrer Name verwendet wird halten.

Ich schreibe auch, weil ich in JKD bin Interessent, ich Ideen mit anderen Ländern ändern möchten, und ich habe nie die Sprache als ein Problem gesehen. Was ich gesehen habe, ist, dass ich verboten wurden, nur weil ich in Englisch, wenn avctually meisten Leute JKD, nicht mit den neuen Informationen Ich bin in einem Land über JKD Verbreitung schreiben. Einige Länder begrüßt mich und möchte ein Teil meines JKD Wissen, auch wenn ich auf Englisch schreiben, andere einfach nicht nehmen. Das gleiche gilt bei den Menschen schriftlich auf dem Forum. einige Leute akzeptieren, dass ich auf Englisch schreiben und andere nicht.

Jeder hat die freie Wahl. Wenn jemand nicht mag, dass ich auf Englisch schreiben können sie einfach nicht lesen.

/ Stefan

[jkdberlin]

...What I have seen is that I have been banned simply because I write in English ...

Well, you will not be banned here because you write in English, that's for sure.

[SteFanJKD]

and that tells a lot about the openmindeness ans security in ones own JKD.

It is refreshing to meet this attitude and not the closeminded attitude torwards alternative JKD approaches that I have met too often.

/SteFan

[Tangkapan]

siiiiiiischa! ;)

hier, das dürfte genau das richtige für dich sein: real jkd online course (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48rz8udzbmq)

perfekt...

[Tangkapan]

Maste Wong kann alles :p

Gruß

ich hoffe dass war jetzt Ironie !!!!

[Quanfa]

Meister Wong ist schon nicht schlecht. Ich mag ihn sehr.


Aber Videotutorials sind bloss sowas wie Supplements. Zusätzlich zum Training finde ich, kann es lohnend sein. Und ich habe auch großen Respekt vor Meister Wong, und finde es toll, dass er sich die Mühe macht.

Wirklich Kämpfen, lernt man dadurch natürlich nicht. Aber hey, wirkliches Kämpfen wird ja wohl auf kaum einer Schule unterrichtet.

Um jetzt bei den Videos zu bleiben, und nicht zur Kampfuntauglichkeit vieler Schulen abzudriften:

Selbst wenn, man alle Techniken super durch Videos lernen könnte.

Der wichtigste Bestandteil sind doch immer noch die Partnerübungen, allen voran das Sparring.

Ohne gutes durchdachtes Sparring, wird man seine Kampfkunst niemals wirklich verstehen können. Erfahren können, was die einzelnen Techniken an sich meinen, und bedeuten.


Aber Videotutorials haben trotzdem eine sehr hilfreiche Seite. Nicht nur, um mal ein wenig zu schauen, wie jemand anderes denn lehrt, und sich bewegt, was ich für sehr lehrreich finde.

Sondern auch schlicht und ergreifend für die ganzen Tastenkönige, Couchpotatoes und vielleicht selbst halbwegs sportliche Menschen, können einen kleinen Einblick in die Welt der Kampfkunst gewinnen.

Vielleicht sind solche Videos, und das nachahmen im Schlafzimmer der Grund, warum die entsprechende Person irgendwann den Schritt geht, um sich tatsächlich in einer richtigen Kung Fu-Schule, oder welche Kampfkunst/sport auch immer, anzumelden.

Das ist doch was tolles, oder nicht? :o



/ShaolinQuanFa

[Akzz]

Ich muss aber sagen, dass das Master Wong Zeug funktioniert.
Ich habe mit dem Training begonnen, weil ich wegen meines Deutschs und meiner Herkunft ständig gehänselt wurde. Verhauen wurde ich auch mindestens einmal die Woche. Die großen Ferien 2010 hab ich komplett mit meinem Cousin durchtrainiert und dazu Kraft- und Abhärtungstraining gemacht. Nach den Ferien gabs erst mal rundrum was auf die Fresse. Keiner in meiner Klasse schaut mich mehr schief an.

Von meiner Deutschlehrerin lies ich mir vor 2 Jahren DVDs zum Deutsch lernen geben. Heute ist mein Deutsch besser, als das der meisten Deutschen in meiner Klasse. Kommt mir also nicht, man könne im Selbststudium nichts lernen.

Kann es sein, dass du vielleicht ein kleines bisschen minderbemittelt und asozial bist ? Lern lieber mehr deutsch.... :mad: Leute wie du sollten keinen Kampfsport machen....

[Tangkapan]

Ja dass nennt man dann instant KK...
Und für solche sind dann schon die Krankenhausbetten reserviert.

[Akzz]

klar kann man das nicht kk nennen. aber ich finde halt dass leute die sich gerne prügeln möchten einfach keine entsprechenden techniken gezeigt bekommen sollten (wie auch immer sie diese dann anweden können) für solche sachen ist kk nicht da und ich finde es asozial. mal abgesehn davon ist die sachlage in 99% der deutschen schulen eher umgekehrt ;)

[MMA-Freak]

Wusstet ihr das ich Englisch hasse? :D

Bruder!
Wo warst du nur so lange:D