Teashi
02-07-2011, 22:41
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Judo magazine, April, Showa 10 (1935)
The Reason that the Kōdōkan has made ‘Bōjutsu’ Instruction Available to Those Interested
Kanō Jigoro – Kōdōkan Shihan
When I was young, I practiced Yagyū-ryū bōjutsu from a man named Oshima. Since I did not practice it to the degree that I would term shugyō, I usually do not mention it. But since that time I have thought that there is value to the shugyō (dedicated study) of bōjutsu only. I have mentioned this before, but my rationale is that, among the martial arts, I think that most broadly for the people, that the study of jūjutsu, bōjutsu, and kenjutsu is most appropriate.
When you look at the reality of our current society, without exception for man, woman, young, or old, excluding the few people that actually have occupations that provide the occasion to carry a sword thrust in their belt, no one carries weapons. Therefore, in the event of something unexpected happening, the most useful martial art is one that enables one to defend oneself while unarmed. Seen from this standpoint, the value of kenjutsu is comparatively small, but I believe it has been, for many accumulated years in our country, along with jūjutsu, of great value as a method of spiritual development (精神修養の法). However, besides that, in addition to jūjutsu there is bōjutsu , which is a very important thing; it seems that it is forgotten/ignored by many people today.
Therefore about eight years ago (e.g., Showa 2, 1927), interested people (有志) assembled at the Kōdōkan and began bōjutsu practice under Tamai sensei, Shiina sensei, Ito sensei, and Kuboki sensei of the Katori Shintō ryū, who came from Chiba Prefecture. About four years ago, we received Shimizu sensei of Shindō Musō ryū (jōjutsu) from Fukuoka, and we were able to continue practice of these techniques. Today, with Hioki sensei and Takeda sensei, along with others, as the core (NOTE: of the instruction staff?), more and more we can do about anything; in addition to beginners, recently we have about 50 applicants/aspirants/members and it (the bōjutsu practice) is of such a scale that we practice in the main dojo of the Kōdōkan.
Afterwards, notwithstanding our previous efforts, we furthermore invited the great masters of bōjutsu ; as we took the essence from various schools of jūjutsu to develop the foundations of jūdō, we have had great success in taking techniques from many schools of bōjutsu and researching these techniques; now, as one branch of Kōdōkan jūdō, we established Kōdōkan bōjutsu - I would like to think we can get its diffusion throughout the world.
Accordingly, I said I put my energy into bōjutsu; but I believe that the martial art you can do without weapons has the most value, as mentioned beforehand; but beyond that, I think that the next most valuable is one in which you can attack or defend with weapons. Concerning weapons, kenjutsu is better than the spear or naginata, but people normally have access to things such as a staff (jō), walking sticks, or folding umbrellas, or there is just something at hand like a stick or piece of wood, so in an emergency, they can fight using such (improvised weapons). It is not only that such a thing (i.e., bōjutsu) is so useful, but also that it is convenient for normal practice.
Similarly, in the case of bujutsu, it is necessary to practice. As I constantly tell other people about 當身術 atemi-jutsu, as a martial art, as used in the 精力善用国民体育‘Seiryoku zen’yō kokumin taiiku’ that I developed, and which adopts atemi-jutsu as a martial technical, no matter how much one teaches atemi-jutsu as a martial technique, in the event of practice, it is very difficult to practice the martial art of atemi-jutsu, to the extent that it becomes physical education 体育. Accordingly, the great clarity of these techniques is that their practice becomes physical education. Because chopping and thrusting, leaving aside a lot of practice, are important even at the beginning, and, with such easy-to-have equipment (i.e., with simply a jō or naked hands), are an important consideration for practice.
Accordingly, recently I have researched bōjutsu, and, because I also resolved to spread it, I urge the beginning of practice as soon as possible to those interested throughout the entire country from region to region under the sensei of the techniques, to make it another branch of jūdō. As far as the Kōdōkan goes, as those practicing today become capable, we will accumulate success, as the majority, as instructors, will spread throughout the world. After a number of years, I believe, as today jūdō spreads throughout the world, the time to spread bōjutsu even overseas will come someday.
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On page 69 of A Life in Aikido by Ueshiba Kisshomaru, it states, regarding Nakai Masakatsu, of the Goto-ha Yagyu Shingan-ryu, "I have heard that Jigoro Kano, the founder of Kodokan Judo and Chube Yokoyama, a master of naginata, used to come and study under Mr. Nakai." I have no idea if there is any association between Oshima and Nakai, and/or if Ueshiba simply made an assumption that Nakai was Kano's teacher, having heard somewhere that the latter had studied YSR bojutsu.
At any rate, as Yagyu Shinkage-ryu doesn't have bojutsu in its curriculum and it is prominent within Yagyu Shingan-ryu, it's likely that this was what Kano Jigoro studied.
YouTube - ‪Yagyu Shingan-ryu Taijutsu [Bojutsu]‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceOkMn0MRw)
Arakido - Yagyu Shingan-Ryu Taijutsu (http://www.arakido.org/)
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Don't know if this is of any use to you but I saw a video of a demonstration by Kawaishi in 1950 in France. He was using a Bo and a JO against a sword during this demo. It was a bit disjointed in the editing but was an interesting look at the past. Kawaishi did teach the older Kodokan ways which were much closer to Kano's method according to a departed old friend who trained with him before and after ww2. Don't know if this leads you anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning.
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I had a long chat today with Shimazu Kenji sensei, headmaster of Yagyu Shingan ryu 'Chikuosha'.
He said that their tradition has it that Kano shihan did in fact study 'Yagyu ryu' (known today as Yagyu Shingan ryu) bōjutsu (rokushaku bō, to be clear) under his several-generations-ago predecessor Oshima.
Yagyu Shingan ryu only has the rokushaku bō (72in / 182cm), not the jō, so he said he's certain there is no direct influence of this on Kodokan bōjutsu.
He's never seen the 1935 Judo article that I translated above, so we're trading a couple of documents and will exchange more ideas later, but I'm not sure there's more. I'm going to practice with a Yagyu Shingan ryu jujutsu group Sunday and will try to work in the bo kata; it only has 10 moves.
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It is no surprise to me about Kanô's study of Yagyû-ryû in the sense that I have suspected for a long time that the Kôdôkan has intentionally removed those parts of Kanô's achievements that have not led to the highest mastership, and even more so with what he studied and failed in. By writing Kanô's bio the way it is, it is made to look that he studied only two koryû, and great as he was, he of course obtained the highest rank, menkyo kaiden in both. You should perhaps ask him if according to their tradition ... whether Kanô was any good in the ryû or what rank he achieved if any.. I would be interested in hearing his response.
A realistic bio of Kanô would bring the man much more down to earth and make him look normal complete with failures, and with things he too on ut never finished just like all of us have some of that stuff. In any case, thanks for this info you provided.
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I read someplace that Kano shihan had, or claimed, a 3dan in jōjutsu but have lost track of it. Will have to dig it up someday.
Journal of Non-lethal Combatives: ZNKR Jodo history, Taylor (http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_taylor_0900.htm)
Shimizu Takaji was born in 1896 and in 1913, at the age of 17, began training in jo with Shiraishi Hanjiro. In 1918, at age 23, he received his mokuroku (scrolls of transmission) and two years after that his menkyo certificate. In 1927, through an introduction provided by the well-known swordsmanship instructor Nakayama Hakudo, Shimizu demonstrated jo to the Tokyo police. In 1930 he moved to Tokyo and began teaching at the Mumon Dojo (formerly the Teikan boxing gym). In 1931 he began teaching jo at Kano Jigoro's Kodokan judo dojo as well as to the Sea Scouts (Admiral Takeshita Isamu, an avid swordsman and aikibudo practitioner, was head of the Sea Scouts) and to the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. In 1933 a special police unit was formed which included the jo in its equipment, and it was here that Shimizu began his long association with the top kendo instructors in Tokyo.
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Ich schrieb schon mehrmals, daß es nicht genügt, Jûdô auf die Erfordernisse der heutigen Sportart gleichen Namens zu reduzieren.
Nun ganz konkret gefragt: wo werden (in Deutschland) überhaupt noch die zu Kanos Lebzeiten im Kodôkan gelehrten Waffentechniken unterrichtet? (Man beachte, daß schon Ben Holmes schreibt, daß der Kodôkan von heute NICHT mehr das Gleiche ist wie zu Kanos Zeiten. Zu Kanos Lebzeiten war der Kodôkan DAS Zentrum der japanischen Kampfkünste. Nicht viel übrig davon, nicht wahr?)
In DJB und DDK habe ich von den Waffentechniken des Jûdô noch nie etwas gesehen. Und bitte: die Behauptung, so etwas wie Waffentechniken gebe es im Jûdô nicht, enbehrt jeder Grundlage.
Gehen wir ein wenig in die Geschichte zurück.
Greifen wir von jenen Ryû, die Kano studierte, einfach mal drei heraus: Yoshin Ryû, Tenshin Shinyo Ryû und Kitô Ryû (auch wenn das natürlich längst nicht alle sind).
Yoshin Ryû studierte Kano nachweislich unter Hachinosuke Fukuda, der damals einer der bekanntesten und gefürchtetsten Kämpfer Japans war - und damit sind KEINE sportlichen Wettkämpfe gemeint!
Im Yoshin Ryû werden noch heute (!) folgende Waffentechniken unterrichtet (ohne einen Anspruch auf vollständige Aufzählung erheben zu wollen): Naginata Jutsu, Kenjutsu, Bo Jutsu (Bo, Hanbo), Kusarigama Jutsu
Tenshin Shinyo Ryû studierte Kano unter Teinosuke Yagyi und Mataemon Iso.
Auch im Tenshin Shinyo Ryû gehören waffentechniken selbstverständlich zum Curriculum - und das bis heute.
Hauptsächlich unterrichtet wurden Odachi / Kodachi und Jitte.
Soweit ich den Quellen entnehmen konnte, gehörte auch ins Kitô Ryu ganz selbstverständlich eine umfangreiche Ausbildung im Umgang mit dem Schwert (Kenjutsu) und anderen Blankwaffen. Welche anderen Waffen im Kitô Ryû gelehrt wurden, kann ich erst nach Auswertung diverser Quellen sagen.
Wir erinnern uns, daß Kano sowohl im Tenshin Shinyo Ryû als auch im Kitô Ryû das Menkyo Kaiden erhalten hatte (die "ultimative Lehrerlizenz").
Wer sich ein wenig mit dem Menkyo-System der Koryû auskennt, der weiß, daß das Menkyo Kaiden die höchste erreichbare Ausbildungsstufe darstellte und niemals an Leute vergeben wurde, die nicht in der Lage waren, dieses Level zu meistern.
Wir können also als gesichert ansehen, daß Kano den effektiven Umgang mit diesen Waffen tatsächlich erlernt hatte.
Nun erhebt sich da doch die Frage, wieso heutzutage offenbar kein Jûdôka (des Sportjudo) in der Lage ist, das Schwert zu führen. Ich präzisiere: es erhebt sich die Frage, wieso kein Sportjudoka in der Lage ist, das Schwert zu führen, ohne Kendô zu trainieren.
Es erhebt sich die Frage, wieso die Kenntnisse im Umgang mit den traditionellen Waffen seit Ende des II. WK offenbar verlorengegangen sind.
Und bitte: es ist unsachlich, jetzt zu behaupten, "so etwas" habe es im Jûdô "nie gegeben".
Ebenso unsachlich ist es, zu behaupten, man brauche "so etwas heute nicht mehr".
Das Gegenteil ist richtig - allerdings nur, wenn man Jûdô als Kampfkunst versteht und nicht als Sport.
Die korrekte Handhabung der traditionellen Waffen schult in besonderer Weise das Distanzgefühl, schult Ma-Ai und De-Ai.
Außerdem (und da stellt sich der Bezug zur Gokyo-no-Kaisetsu ein) sind die Bewegungsprinzipien des bewaffneten und des "unbewaffneten" Kampfes stets gleich.
Es sei denn, man erfindet Regularien, die eine sportliche, "faire" Auseinandersetzung überhaupt erst ermöglichen.
Und da haben wir ihn wieder, den Unterschied zwischen Sport und Kampfkunst.
Ich darf daran erinnern, daß Jûdô eine (die erste) Disziplin des Gendai Budô ist. Darf ich auch daran erinnern, daß "Bu" soviel bedeutet wie "militärisch"?
Offenbar ist das gründlich in Vergessenheit geraten.
Und genau das ist die Erklärung dafür, daß wir und die Sportjudoka so oft aneinander vorbeireden.
Ich persönlich jedenfalls kann mich nicht damit zufriedengeben, das Jûdô auf ein paar Wurftechniken und einige wenige Bodengriffe reduziert zu sehen.
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daß Kanō ja in der April-Ausgabe 1935 der Zeitschrift "Jūdō" (Jahrgang 6, Ausgabe 4) in seinem Artikel über die Gründe, die zum freiwilligen Training des Bōjutsu am Kōdōkan geführt haben, schreibt, daß dieses Training wohlgemerkt nur freiwillig ist und kein integraler Bestandteil des Kōdōkan-Jūdō, und da er darüber hinaus in dem gleichen Artikel schreibt, daß eben dieses Waffentraining erst um 1927 am Kōdōkan eingeführt wurde, ist somit bewiesen, daß Waffentechniken nie Bestandteil des Kōdōkan-Jūdō waren und überhaupt auch nur ganz kurze Zeit am Kōdōkan trainiert wurden.
es scheint, als wollte kano das judo immer weiter ausbauen.
Judo magazine, April, Showa 10 (1935)
The Reason that the Kōdōkan has made ‘Bōjutsu’ Instruction Available to Those Interested
Kanō Jigoro – Kōdōkan Shihan
When I was young, I practiced Yagyū-ryū bōjutsu from a man named Oshima. Since I did not practice it to the degree that I would term shugyō, I usually do not mention it. But since that time I have thought that there is value to the shugyō (dedicated study) of bōjutsu only. I have mentioned this before, but my rationale is that, among the martial arts, I think that most broadly for the people, that the study of jūjutsu, bōjutsu, and kenjutsu is most appropriate.
When you look at the reality of our current society, without exception for man, woman, young, or old, excluding the few people that actually have occupations that provide the occasion to carry a sword thrust in their belt, no one carries weapons. Therefore, in the event of something unexpected happening, the most useful martial art is one that enables one to defend oneself while unarmed. Seen from this standpoint, the value of kenjutsu is comparatively small, but I believe it has been, for many accumulated years in our country, along with jūjutsu, of great value as a method of spiritual development (精神修養の法). However, besides that, in addition to jūjutsu there is bōjutsu , which is a very important thing; it seems that it is forgotten/ignored by many people today.
Therefore about eight years ago (e.g., Showa 2, 1927), interested people (有志) assembled at the Kōdōkan and began bōjutsu practice under Tamai sensei, Shiina sensei, Ito sensei, and Kuboki sensei of the Katori Shintō ryū, who came from Chiba Prefecture. About four years ago, we received Shimizu sensei of Shindō Musō ryū (jōjutsu) from Fukuoka, and we were able to continue practice of these techniques. Today, with Hioki sensei and Takeda sensei, along with others, as the core (NOTE: of the instruction staff?), more and more we can do about anything; in addition to beginners, recently we have about 50 applicants/aspirants/members and it (the bōjutsu practice) is of such a scale that we practice in the main dojo of the Kōdōkan.
Afterwards, notwithstanding our previous efforts, we furthermore invited the great masters of bōjutsu ; as we took the essence from various schools of jūjutsu to develop the foundations of jūdō, we have had great success in taking techniques from many schools of bōjutsu and researching these techniques; now, as one branch of Kōdōkan jūdō, we established Kōdōkan bōjutsu - I would like to think we can get its diffusion throughout the world.
Accordingly, I said I put my energy into bōjutsu; but I believe that the martial art you can do without weapons has the most value, as mentioned beforehand; but beyond that, I think that the next most valuable is one in which you can attack or defend with weapons. Concerning weapons, kenjutsu is better than the spear or naginata, but people normally have access to things such as a staff (jō), walking sticks, or folding umbrellas, or there is just something at hand like a stick or piece of wood, so in an emergency, they can fight using such (improvised weapons). It is not only that such a thing (i.e., bōjutsu) is so useful, but also that it is convenient for normal practice.
Similarly, in the case of bujutsu, it is necessary to practice. As I constantly tell other people about 當身術 atemi-jutsu, as a martial art, as used in the 精力善用国民体育‘Seiryoku zen’yō kokumin taiiku’ that I developed, and which adopts atemi-jutsu as a martial technical, no matter how much one teaches atemi-jutsu as a martial technique, in the event of practice, it is very difficult to practice the martial art of atemi-jutsu, to the extent that it becomes physical education 体育. Accordingly, the great clarity of these techniques is that their practice becomes physical education. Because chopping and thrusting, leaving aside a lot of practice, are important even at the beginning, and, with such easy-to-have equipment (i.e., with simply a jō or naked hands), are an important consideration for practice.
Accordingly, recently I have researched bōjutsu, and, because I also resolved to spread it, I urge the beginning of practice as soon as possible to those interested throughout the entire country from region to region under the sensei of the techniques, to make it another branch of jūdō. As far as the Kōdōkan goes, as those practicing today become capable, we will accumulate success, as the majority, as instructors, will spread throughout the world. After a number of years, I believe, as today jūdō spreads throughout the world, the time to spread bōjutsu even overseas will come someday.
K?d?kan b?jutsu - JudoForum.com (http://JudoForum.com/index.php?/topic/41260-kodokan-bojutsu/page__view__findpost__p__520959)
On page 69 of A Life in Aikido by Ueshiba Kisshomaru, it states, regarding Nakai Masakatsu, of the Goto-ha Yagyu Shingan-ryu, "I have heard that Jigoro Kano, the founder of Kodokan Judo and Chube Yokoyama, a master of naginata, used to come and study under Mr. Nakai." I have no idea if there is any association between Oshima and Nakai, and/or if Ueshiba simply made an assumption that Nakai was Kano's teacher, having heard somewhere that the latter had studied YSR bojutsu.
At any rate, as Yagyu Shinkage-ryu doesn't have bojutsu in its curriculum and it is prominent within Yagyu Shingan-ryu, it's likely that this was what Kano Jigoro studied.
YouTube - ‪Yagyu Shingan-ryu Taijutsu [Bojutsu]‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceOkMn0MRw)
Arakido - Yagyu Shingan-Ryu Taijutsu (http://www.arakido.org/)
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Don't know if this is of any use to you but I saw a video of a demonstration by Kawaishi in 1950 in France. He was using a Bo and a JO against a sword during this demo. It was a bit disjointed in the editing but was an interesting look at the past. Kawaishi did teach the older Kodokan ways which were much closer to Kano's method according to a departed old friend who trained with him before and after ww2. Don't know if this leads you anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning.
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I had a long chat today with Shimazu Kenji sensei, headmaster of Yagyu Shingan ryu 'Chikuosha'.
He said that their tradition has it that Kano shihan did in fact study 'Yagyu ryu' (known today as Yagyu Shingan ryu) bōjutsu (rokushaku bō, to be clear) under his several-generations-ago predecessor Oshima.
Yagyu Shingan ryu only has the rokushaku bō (72in / 182cm), not the jō, so he said he's certain there is no direct influence of this on Kodokan bōjutsu.
He's never seen the 1935 Judo article that I translated above, so we're trading a couple of documents and will exchange more ideas later, but I'm not sure there's more. I'm going to practice with a Yagyu Shingan ryu jujutsu group Sunday and will try to work in the bo kata; it only has 10 moves.
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It is no surprise to me about Kanô's study of Yagyû-ryû in the sense that I have suspected for a long time that the Kôdôkan has intentionally removed those parts of Kanô's achievements that have not led to the highest mastership, and even more so with what he studied and failed in. By writing Kanô's bio the way it is, it is made to look that he studied only two koryû, and great as he was, he of course obtained the highest rank, menkyo kaiden in both. You should perhaps ask him if according to their tradition ... whether Kanô was any good in the ryû or what rank he achieved if any.. I would be interested in hearing his response.
A realistic bio of Kanô would bring the man much more down to earth and make him look normal complete with failures, and with things he too on ut never finished just like all of us have some of that stuff. In any case, thanks for this info you provided.
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I read someplace that Kano shihan had, or claimed, a 3dan in jōjutsu but have lost track of it. Will have to dig it up someday.
Journal of Non-lethal Combatives: ZNKR Jodo history, Taylor (http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_taylor_0900.htm)
Shimizu Takaji was born in 1896 and in 1913, at the age of 17, began training in jo with Shiraishi Hanjiro. In 1918, at age 23, he received his mokuroku (scrolls of transmission) and two years after that his menkyo certificate. In 1927, through an introduction provided by the well-known swordsmanship instructor Nakayama Hakudo, Shimizu demonstrated jo to the Tokyo police. In 1930 he moved to Tokyo and began teaching at the Mumon Dojo (formerly the Teikan boxing gym). In 1931 he began teaching jo at Kano Jigoro's Kodokan judo dojo as well as to the Sea Scouts (Admiral Takeshita Isamu, an avid swordsman and aikibudo practitioner, was head of the Sea Scouts) and to the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. In 1933 a special police unit was formed which included the jo in its equipment, and it was here that Shimizu began his long association with the top kendo instructors in Tokyo.
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Ich schrieb schon mehrmals, daß es nicht genügt, Jûdô auf die Erfordernisse der heutigen Sportart gleichen Namens zu reduzieren.
Nun ganz konkret gefragt: wo werden (in Deutschland) überhaupt noch die zu Kanos Lebzeiten im Kodôkan gelehrten Waffentechniken unterrichtet? (Man beachte, daß schon Ben Holmes schreibt, daß der Kodôkan von heute NICHT mehr das Gleiche ist wie zu Kanos Zeiten. Zu Kanos Lebzeiten war der Kodôkan DAS Zentrum der japanischen Kampfkünste. Nicht viel übrig davon, nicht wahr?)
In DJB und DDK habe ich von den Waffentechniken des Jûdô noch nie etwas gesehen. Und bitte: die Behauptung, so etwas wie Waffentechniken gebe es im Jûdô nicht, enbehrt jeder Grundlage.
Gehen wir ein wenig in die Geschichte zurück.
Greifen wir von jenen Ryû, die Kano studierte, einfach mal drei heraus: Yoshin Ryû, Tenshin Shinyo Ryû und Kitô Ryû (auch wenn das natürlich längst nicht alle sind).
Yoshin Ryû studierte Kano nachweislich unter Hachinosuke Fukuda, der damals einer der bekanntesten und gefürchtetsten Kämpfer Japans war - und damit sind KEINE sportlichen Wettkämpfe gemeint!
Im Yoshin Ryû werden noch heute (!) folgende Waffentechniken unterrichtet (ohne einen Anspruch auf vollständige Aufzählung erheben zu wollen): Naginata Jutsu, Kenjutsu, Bo Jutsu (Bo, Hanbo), Kusarigama Jutsu
Tenshin Shinyo Ryû studierte Kano unter Teinosuke Yagyi und Mataemon Iso.
Auch im Tenshin Shinyo Ryû gehören waffentechniken selbstverständlich zum Curriculum - und das bis heute.
Hauptsächlich unterrichtet wurden Odachi / Kodachi und Jitte.
Soweit ich den Quellen entnehmen konnte, gehörte auch ins Kitô Ryu ganz selbstverständlich eine umfangreiche Ausbildung im Umgang mit dem Schwert (Kenjutsu) und anderen Blankwaffen. Welche anderen Waffen im Kitô Ryû gelehrt wurden, kann ich erst nach Auswertung diverser Quellen sagen.
Wir erinnern uns, daß Kano sowohl im Tenshin Shinyo Ryû als auch im Kitô Ryû das Menkyo Kaiden erhalten hatte (die "ultimative Lehrerlizenz").
Wer sich ein wenig mit dem Menkyo-System der Koryû auskennt, der weiß, daß das Menkyo Kaiden die höchste erreichbare Ausbildungsstufe darstellte und niemals an Leute vergeben wurde, die nicht in der Lage waren, dieses Level zu meistern.
Wir können also als gesichert ansehen, daß Kano den effektiven Umgang mit diesen Waffen tatsächlich erlernt hatte.
Nun erhebt sich da doch die Frage, wieso heutzutage offenbar kein Jûdôka (des Sportjudo) in der Lage ist, das Schwert zu führen. Ich präzisiere: es erhebt sich die Frage, wieso kein Sportjudoka in der Lage ist, das Schwert zu führen, ohne Kendô zu trainieren.
Es erhebt sich die Frage, wieso die Kenntnisse im Umgang mit den traditionellen Waffen seit Ende des II. WK offenbar verlorengegangen sind.
Und bitte: es ist unsachlich, jetzt zu behaupten, "so etwas" habe es im Jûdô "nie gegeben".
Ebenso unsachlich ist es, zu behaupten, man brauche "so etwas heute nicht mehr".
Das Gegenteil ist richtig - allerdings nur, wenn man Jûdô als Kampfkunst versteht und nicht als Sport.
Die korrekte Handhabung der traditionellen Waffen schult in besonderer Weise das Distanzgefühl, schult Ma-Ai und De-Ai.
Außerdem (und da stellt sich der Bezug zur Gokyo-no-Kaisetsu ein) sind die Bewegungsprinzipien des bewaffneten und des "unbewaffneten" Kampfes stets gleich.
Es sei denn, man erfindet Regularien, die eine sportliche, "faire" Auseinandersetzung überhaupt erst ermöglichen.
Und da haben wir ihn wieder, den Unterschied zwischen Sport und Kampfkunst.
Ich darf daran erinnern, daß Jûdô eine (die erste) Disziplin des Gendai Budô ist. Darf ich auch daran erinnern, daß "Bu" soviel bedeutet wie "militärisch"?
Offenbar ist das gründlich in Vergessenheit geraten.
Und genau das ist die Erklärung dafür, daß wir und die Sportjudoka so oft aneinander vorbeireden.
Ich persönlich jedenfalls kann mich nicht damit zufriedengeben, das Jûdô auf ein paar Wurftechniken und einige wenige Bodengriffe reduziert zu sehen.
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daß Kanō ja in der April-Ausgabe 1935 der Zeitschrift "Jūdō" (Jahrgang 6, Ausgabe 4) in seinem Artikel über die Gründe, die zum freiwilligen Training des Bōjutsu am Kōdōkan geführt haben, schreibt, daß dieses Training wohlgemerkt nur freiwillig ist und kein integraler Bestandteil des Kōdōkan-Jūdō, und da er darüber hinaus in dem gleichen Artikel schreibt, daß eben dieses Waffentraining erst um 1927 am Kōdōkan eingeführt wurde, ist somit bewiesen, daß Waffentechniken nie Bestandteil des Kōdōkan-Jūdō waren und überhaupt auch nur ganz kurze Zeit am Kōdōkan trainiert wurden.
es scheint, als wollte kano das judo immer weiter ausbauen.