Kampfkunsthirni
05-10-2011, 18:02
Tag zusammen,
nun ist es auch hier soweit: Benny Meng (ein alter Kumpel von Sergio) ist wohl nicht mehr so einverstanden mit dem, was Sergio treibt und gibt ihm ordentlich Feuer auf Facebook. Hier ein paar Zitate und darunter die Webadressen zwecks ordentlicher Verweise:
1. Zitat Benny Meng:
From Sifu Sergio "The sifu of Ip Man Chan Wha Sun spelled Wing Chun like Eternal spring ( Weng Chun ) its one and the same system. The dummy and the weapons are exactly the same. some eternal spring lineages have siu nim tau, chum kiu and biu tze and some not because they come from the period before these forms were created
2. Zitat von Benny Meng:
Sergio said that the name is the same " Weng", so that's the proof!!!
This is an ignorant argument:
The Weng Chun taught in the Chi Sim Weng Chun lineage (or Tang Yik, or however he wants to package it) contains the four forms of Fa Kuen, Sap Yat Kuen, Chong Kuen, Saam Baai Fut, the wooden dummy, pole, and knife.
The Wing Chun taught by Ip Man contains the three forms of SNT, CK, BJ, the wooden dummy, pole and knife
The two systems are related because they came from the same origin approximately 400 years ago. The modern system of Ip Man came from the influence of the Red Flag where Weng Chun and Hung Ga share a similar ancestor, which is Chi Sim.
Regardless of how someone packages or markets something in his school because he has a vested interested in that packaging doesn't mean it's true. To say that Chan Wah Shun's lineage used the Chinese character for Weng (meaning Eternal) and the Chi Sim Weng Chun lineage uses the Chinese character for Weng (meaning Eternal) so the systems must be the same (or very related) is a very weak and ignorant argument. For a self-professed expert on Wing Chun, it's a very weak logic-flow.
As a matter of fact, this issue has been settled by the Ip Man clan elders by stating that Weng Chun is not Wing Chun.
3. Zitat von Benny Meng
I would not be eating popcorn if someone is doing this to your family. Where is the honor and sense of righteousness in martial arts now days? You have the so call Sifu that attack their own teachers, attack lineages with internet, steal the info from different lineages and does not give credit back, create false history for their own marketing, and does not hesitate to blame their students when the lies are exposed, use their own student like a piece on a chess board, send out personal email attacks........but the real sad thing is that many people are fool by this evil person. A person like that is not martial artist in my book Ben
Hier die Profilseite von Benny Meng.
Benny Meng | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/hfmeng?sk=wall)
Da geht es noch übler zur Sache. Ich dachte Benny und Sergio wären dicke Kumpels. Kann mir das mal einer erklären?
Sergio lässt sich nicht lange bitten und kommentiert dazu auf seiner Facebook Profilseite:
Sifu Sergio | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/sifusergioiadarola)
nun ist es auch hier soweit: Benny Meng (ein alter Kumpel von Sergio) ist wohl nicht mehr so einverstanden mit dem, was Sergio treibt und gibt ihm ordentlich Feuer auf Facebook. Hier ein paar Zitate und darunter die Webadressen zwecks ordentlicher Verweise:
1. Zitat Benny Meng:
From Sifu Sergio "The sifu of Ip Man Chan Wha Sun spelled Wing Chun like Eternal spring ( Weng Chun ) its one and the same system. The dummy and the weapons are exactly the same. some eternal spring lineages have siu nim tau, chum kiu and biu tze and some not because they come from the period before these forms were created
2. Zitat von Benny Meng:
Sergio said that the name is the same " Weng", so that's the proof!!!
This is an ignorant argument:
The Weng Chun taught in the Chi Sim Weng Chun lineage (or Tang Yik, or however he wants to package it) contains the four forms of Fa Kuen, Sap Yat Kuen, Chong Kuen, Saam Baai Fut, the wooden dummy, pole, and knife.
The Wing Chun taught by Ip Man contains the three forms of SNT, CK, BJ, the wooden dummy, pole and knife
The two systems are related because they came from the same origin approximately 400 years ago. The modern system of Ip Man came from the influence of the Red Flag where Weng Chun and Hung Ga share a similar ancestor, which is Chi Sim.
Regardless of how someone packages or markets something in his school because he has a vested interested in that packaging doesn't mean it's true. To say that Chan Wah Shun's lineage used the Chinese character for Weng (meaning Eternal) and the Chi Sim Weng Chun lineage uses the Chinese character for Weng (meaning Eternal) so the systems must be the same (or very related) is a very weak and ignorant argument. For a self-professed expert on Wing Chun, it's a very weak logic-flow.
As a matter of fact, this issue has been settled by the Ip Man clan elders by stating that Weng Chun is not Wing Chun.
3. Zitat von Benny Meng
I would not be eating popcorn if someone is doing this to your family. Where is the honor and sense of righteousness in martial arts now days? You have the so call Sifu that attack their own teachers, attack lineages with internet, steal the info from different lineages and does not give credit back, create false history for their own marketing, and does not hesitate to blame their students when the lies are exposed, use their own student like a piece on a chess board, send out personal email attacks........but the real sad thing is that many people are fool by this evil person. A person like that is not martial artist in my book Ben
Hier die Profilseite von Benny Meng.
Benny Meng | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/hfmeng?sk=wall)
Da geht es noch übler zur Sache. Ich dachte Benny und Sergio wären dicke Kumpels. Kann mir das mal einer erklären?
Sergio lässt sich nicht lange bitten und kommentiert dazu auf seiner Facebook Profilseite:
Sifu Sergio | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/sifusergioiadarola)