JJ -> BJJ

[Quoth]

Hallo,

wie genau hat Carlos Gracie das von ihm erlernte Jiu Jitsu verändert, dass daraus das BJJ entstand...?

[soares]

In 1925, Carlos and his brothers opened their first jiu-jitsu academy, and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was born in Brazil.

At this point, the base of techniques in BJJ was similar to those in Kano's Judo academy in Japan. As the years progressed, however, the brothers (notably Carlos and Helio) and their students refined their art via brutal no-rules fights, both in public challenges and on the street. Particularly notable was their willingness to fight outside of weight categories, permitting a skilled small fighter to attempt to defeat a much larger opponent.


They began to concentrate more and more on submission ground fighting, especially utilizing the guard position. This allowed a weaker man to defend against a stronger one, bide his time, and eventually emerge victorious.

In the 1970's, the undisputed jiu-jitsu champion in Brazil was Rolls Gracie. He had taken the techniques of jiu-jitsu to a new level. Although he was not a large man, his ability to apply leverage using all of his limbs was unprecedented. At this time the techniques of the open guard and its variants (spider guard, butterfly guard) became a part of BJJ. Rolls also developed the first point system for jiu-jitsu only competition. The competitions required wearing a gi, awarded points (but not total victories) for throws and takedowns, and awarded other points for achieving different ground positions (such as passing an opponent's guard). After Rolls' death in a hang-gliding accident, Rickson Gracie became the undisputed (and undefeated!) champion, a legend throughout Brazil and much of the world. He has been the exemplar of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu technique for the last two decades, since the early 1980's, in both jiu-jitsu competition and no-rules MMA competition.

quelle:
www.bjj.org

man kann also nicht davon ausgehen dass carlos das ding fertiggestrickt hat. vielmehr war es eine jahrzentelange entwicklung die andauert.

ich vermute die hauptunterschiede in den anfängen des bjj im vergleich zum jj
waren

- stellenwert der position
- weglassen von nichtfunktionalen techniken


nachtrag: es gibt übrigens auch die version, dass die modifizierung des jj bereits von maeda vorgenommen und so unterrichtet wurde !

[Joergus]

In 1925, Carlos and his brothers opened their first jiu-jitsu academy, and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was born in Brazil.

At this point, the base of techniques in BJJ was similar to those in Kano's Judo academy in Japan. As the years progressed, however, the brothers (notably Carlos and Helio) and their students refined their art via brutal no-rules fights, both in public challenges and on the street. Particularly notable was their willingness to fight outside of weight categories, permitting a skilled small fighter to attempt to defeat a much larger opponent.


They began to concentrate more and more on submission ground fighting, especially utilizing the guard position. This allowed a weaker man to defend against a stronger one, bide his time, and eventually emerge victorious.

In the 1970's, the undisputed jiu-jitsu champion in Brazil was Rolls Gracie. He had taken the techniques of jiu-jitsu to a new level. Although he was not a large man, his ability to apply leverage using all of his limbs was unprecedented. At this time the techniques of the open guard and its variants (spider guard, butterfly guard) became a part of BJJ. Rolls also developed the first point system for jiu-jitsu only competition. The competitions required wearing a gi, awarded points (but not total victories) for throws and takedowns, and awarded other points for achieving different ground positions (such as passing an opponent's guard). After Rolls' death in a hang-gliding accident, Rickson Gracie became the undisputed (and undefeated!) champion, a legend throughout Brazil and much of the world. He has been the exemplar of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu technique for the last two decades, since the early 1980's, in both jiu-jitsu competition and no-rules MMA competition.

quelle:
www.bjj.org

man kann also nicht davon ausgehen dass carlos das ding fertiggestrickt hat. vielmehr war es eine jahrzentelange entwicklung die andauert.

ich vermute die hauptunterschiede in den anfängen des bjj im vergleich zum jj
waren

- stellenwert der position
- weglassen von nichtfunktionalen techniken


nachtrag: es gibt übrigens auch die version, dass die modifizierung des jj bereits von maeda vorgenommen und so unterrichtet wurde !

Weiß jemand mehr ?

[Schnueffler]

Viele Geschichten, viele Variationen!
Worauf es aber meißt hinaus läuft, das er das erlernte JJ auf seine doch eher zierliche Figur angepasst hat und sich diese Entwicklung über Jahre hinweg gezogen hat und auch von Generation zu Generation weitergegeben wurde.
MfG
Markus

[Joergus]

Weiß jemand konkrete Techniken ?