Xinyiba Kung Fu

[Michael Kann]

Was ist Xinyiba Kung Fu?

[Franz]

Schau mal bei den Sub Styles:

Kung Fu

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Intro:
This is an almost impossible category. This label is attached to almost any martial art that comes from China. It is the generic name for literally hundreds of individual Chinese fighting arts. In reality we should have an entry for each individual Kung Fu style we are interested in, but this would fill entire volumes. However, we will do our best.

Origin:
China.

History:
This is extremely controversial. Most of what appears here is a summary of what has been learned from Sifu Benny Meng.

There are vague references of a King in China some thousands of years ago who trained his men in techniques of hand-to-hand combat to use in fighting against invading barbarians.

The first real references of an organized system of martial arts came from a man named General Chin Na. He taught a form of combat to his soldiers which most people believe developed into what is modern day Chin-Na.

The first written record we have of Chinese martial arts is from a Taoist acupuncturist from the 5th century. He describes combat designed along the lines of an animal's movements and style.

Legend has it that a Bhuddist monk named Bohdiharma, also called Ta Mo, came across the Tibetan Mountains to China. The Emperor of China at the time was much impressed with the man, and gave him a temple located in Honan - the famed Sui Lim Monastery (Shaolin Monastery). Ta Mo found that the monks there, while searching for spiritual enlightenment, had neglected their physical bodies. He taught them some exercises and drills that they adapted into fighting forms. This became the famous Shaolin Kung Fu system.

"Kung Fu" means "skill and effort". It is used to describe anything that a person nees to spend time training in and becoming skillful in. (A chef can have good "kung fu".) The Chinese term that translates into "military art" is "Wu Shu".

As all martial arts, Wushu in its early stages of development was practiced primarily for self-defense and for aquiring basic needs. As time progressed, innumerable people tempered and processed Wushu in different ways. By China's Ming and Qing dynasties (1368-1911), Wushu had formed its basic patterns.

Intense military conflicts served as catalysts for the development of Wushu. During China's Xia, Shang, and Zhou periods (2000BC to 771BC), Wushu matured and formed complete systems of offense and defense, with the emergence of bronze weapons in quantity. During the period of Warring States (770BC to 221BC), the heads of states and government advocated Wushu in their armies and kept Wushu masters for their own puposes.

Military Wushu developed more systematically during the Tang and Song dynaties (618 to 1279) and exhibitions of Wushu arts were held in the armies as morale boosters and military exercises. In the Ming and Qing dynasties, the general development of Wushu was at its height. Military Wushu became more practical and meticulous and was systematically classified and summarized . General Qi Jiguang of the Ming Dynasty delved into Wushu study and wrote "A New Essay on Wushu Arts", which became an important book in China's military literature.

The latter half of the 20th century has seen a great upswing in the interest of Kung Fu world wide. The introduction of Kung Fu to the Western world has seen to it that its development and popularity will continue to grow.

Description:
Styles of Kung Fu encompass both soft and hard, internal and external techniques. They include grappling, striking, nerve-attack and much weapons training.

The Shao-Lin styles encompass both Northern and Southern styles, and therefore are the basis of the following outline.

Shaolin Wushu styles:

A. External Styles (Hard, Physical)

Northern
Northern Shaolin
Chang Chuan (Long Fist)
Praying Mantis
Eagle Claw
Monkey
Drunken-style
Drunken Eight Fairies
Ba-ji
et al
Southern
Southern Shaolin (Ermei Shaolin, Wudang Shaolin)
Hung Gar
Choy Li Fut
Wing Chun
Five Animal System (Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Leopard, Crane)
White Eyebrow
White Crane
Lo Han
et al
B. Internal Styles (Soft, Mental/Spiritual)

Taijiquan
Baguazhang
Xingyiquan
Liuhebafaquan
et al
Training:
Shaolin Wushu Methods

A. Hard or External Styles

Stresses training and strengthening of the joints, bones, and muscles
Requires rigorous body conditioning
Consists of positioning and movement of the limbs and body, correct technique, muscular strength, speed, etc.
B. Soft or Internal Styles

Stresses development of internal organs where "Chi" is produced
Allows one to develop mental capability to call upon this "Chi"
Concerned with breathing, poise, and tone of the core body structures
C. Long or Northern Styles

Stresses Flexibility, quickness, agility, and balance similar to the attributes of a trained and well-conditioned gymnast
Uses many kicks along with hand techniques
Legs specialize in long-range tactics
D. Short or Southern

Stresses close-range tactics, power, and stability
Uses mostly hand techniques
Kung Fu almost always seems to incorporate forms and routines. They emphasize solo practice as well as group practice. (They even have forms for two or more people). They train in multiple types of weapons. There is also a great emphasis on sparring in the harder styles, and sensitivity training in the soft styles.

Sub-Styles:
Styles of shaolin branch

Shaolinquan (Fist of Shaolin Temple)
Digong lohanquan (ground-fighting branch of lohanquan)
Xiuquan (fist of the best)
Shaolin shisanzhua (13 claw-strikes of Shaolin)
Shaolin ershisi pao (24 cannon strikes of Shaolin)
Shaolin wuxing bafa quan (Shaolin fist of 5 forms and 8 methods)
Xinyiba (grabbing the heart and mind)
Shaolin baguaquan (shaolin fist of eight trigrams)
Shaolin chanmen (Chan's gates of Shaolin)
Fohanquan
"Inner" styles

Tajiquan (Fist of Great Ultimate)
Baguazhang (Palm of Eight Trigrams)
Xingyiquan (Fist of Form and Mind)
Wenshenquan
Dachengquan (fist of Great achievement), or Yiquan (fist of mind)
Liuhebafaquan (fist of six co-ordinations and eight methods)
Muslim styles:

Tantui (spring legs)
Chaquan (fist of Cha-mir)
Liuhequan (fist of six co-ordinations)
Huihui shiba zhou (18 moslem's elbows)
Qishi ("7 forms" or "7 warriors")
Tongbeiquan (fist of through preparing)
Piguaquan (fist of chopping and hanging)
Bajiquan (fist of eight limits)
Northern styles

Paochui (Cannon fist)
Chuojiao (Thrusted-in feet)
Fanziquan (Rotating fist)
Huaquan (Blossom fist)
Huaquan ("Fist of Valuables" or "fist of Hua Zong")
Meihuazhuang (Pillars of Meihua Plum)
Yingzhaoquan (eagle's claws style)
Tongbeiquan (Fist of spreading power from the back)
Shuihuquan (Fist of "Water margin")
Yanqingquan (Fist of Yan Qing), also known as mizongquan (Fist of lost track)
Changjiaquan (Fist of Chang family)
North-Western styles

Bamenquan (Fist of eight gates)
Shijiaquan (Fist of Shi family)
Gaojiaquan (Fist of Gao family)
North-Eastern styles Tanglangquan (Fist of Praying Mantis)
Santongquan (Fist of three Tongs)
Sunbinquan (Fist of general Sun Bin)
Boziquan (Fist of lame man)
Wudang styles

Kongmenquan (fist of empty gates)
Yumenquan (fish fist)
Taiyi wuxing qinpu (grappling of five elements and Great One)
Jiugong shibatui (18 legs of nine palaces)
Emei styles

Styles of Jingwu Assotiation

12 rouitnes of tantui
Mizong luohanquan
Southern styles

Nanpai tanglangquan (Southern praying mantis fist)
Xiajiaquan (noble fist)
Baimeiquan (fist of Baimei)
Styles of Hunan province

Baquan ("8 fists")
Styles of Fujian province

Youngchunquan (Wing Chun)
Gouquan (dog style)
Huzunquan (tiger style)
Longzunquan (dragon style)
Hequan (crane style)
Lohanquan (fist of arhats)
Taizuquan (fist of Zhao Kuangyin emperor)
Houquan (monkey style)
Wuzongheyangquan (fist of five ancestors and teacher He Yang)
Shezuquan (fist of She nationality)
Styles of Guangdong province

Cailifoquan (Choy Lay Fut)
Hongjiaquan (Hung Gar) (fist of Hong family)
Liujiaquan (fist of Liu family)
Lijiaquan (fist of Li family)
Caijiaquan (fist of Cai family)
Mojiaquan (fist of Mo family)
Hongfoquan (fist of Hong and Buddha)
Zhoujiaquan (fist of Zhou family)
Hongtou caiwei (head of Hong, tail of Cai)
Caimoquan (fist of Cai and Mo)
Other styles

Wusongquan (Fist of Wu Song)
Quelle:http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:tFh6xKmyWrkJ:www.atlantamartialarts .com/styles/kungfu.htm+Xinyiba+Kung+Fu%3F&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

[Franz]

http://www.taichi-schweiz.ch/Dacheng_Quan.htm

Im Lebenslauf des Stilgründers findet sich dies :

1918 wurde das Departement der unbewaffneten Landstreitkräfte aufgrund der politischen Veränderungen aufgelöst.
Wang ging in den Süden Chinas, um bei den grössten Meistern der Kampfkünste zu lernen.

Zuerst ging er zum Shaolin Tempel, wo er Xinyiba (ein System das mit Xingyiquan verwandt ist) von einem Mönch namens Henglin erlernte (auch bekannt als Changlin or Xianglin). Doshin So, der Gründer des Shorinji Kempo erlernte seine Kunst vom gleichen Mönch.

[Klaus]

Der Shaolin-Tempel in Südchina, 1918 ?

[South Paw]

Die Geschichte des Shorinji Kempo's verknüpft mit das Süd Shaolin?

[Klaus]

Das was da als Lebenslauf beschrieben ist, gilt dem Yiquan (Dachengquan). Xinyiba ist ein Shaolin-Stil (aus HENAN, liegt aber südlich von Beijing im östlichen Zentralchina). Genaueres gibt sicher ein Google-Search her, oder, wenn man es WIRKLICH wissen will, eine email an den Betreiber von cyberkwoon.com (ffab). Interessant finde ich übrigens, daß man schon erhebliche Unterschiede zwischen den neueren und alten Bildern bezüglich der Haltungen auf der Dacheng-Website sieht. Arme anspannen ist FALSCH, egal wie gut man sich dabei fühlt.

[Michael Kann]

Jetzt versteh ich gar nix mehr :confused:

Also, lt. Bericht soll einer der letzten Xinyiba Kung Fu Meister der Shaolin-Mönch Shi Dejian sein. Dieser lebt und arbeitet im Shaolin Kloster???

[Klaus]

Wenn damit De Qian gemeint ist (De heisst die ganze Generation), kann darüber auch der Mensch auf Cyberkwoon Auskunft geben, der kennt ihn persönlich. Auf der Website findet man in der Mitgliedszone auch die ganzen Formen aus Shaolin als Zeichnungen, damit kann ich aber nichts anfangen.

[thoschleg]

Hallo,


Information ueber Xinyiba findet sich hier :

http://www.freewebs.com/wugulun/xinyiba.htm
www.shaolindj.com (master De Jian)

Ansonsten laesst sich ueber diesen Stil wenig finden, alles um ihn herum wird mehr oder weniger fuer geheim erklaert und so zur Geheimspezialitaet der alten Shaolinmoenche gemacht. Wer weiss, ob dies auch stimmt ??

Gruesse,

Thoschleg

[Mikn]

wo hast du denn den thread ausgegraben? :weirdface

[thoschleg]

Der link www.shaolindj.com ist nicht mehr brauchbar. Die Videos von Meister Shi De Jian kann man unter dieser Adresse gezippt herunterladen:

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3V2286P60G2FH0BLT8LH1B1X7D

[Jadetiger]

Zuerst ging er zum Shaolin Tempel, wo er Xinyiba (ein System das mit Xingyiquan verwandt ist) von einem Mönch namens Henglin erlernte (auch bekannt als Changlin or Xianglin). Doshin So, der Gründer des Shorinji Kempo erlernte seine Kunst vom gleichen Mönch.Xinyiquan im Shaolin-Tempel in Henan???
Stammt das nicht eigentlich aus Wudang?

[SQ]

Xin Yi Ba und XinYiQuan sind grundauf verschiedene Dinge!

XinYi oder auch Hsing Yi ist eine der drei inneren Stilrichtungen aus Wudang, das Shaolin Xin Yi Ba (Vereinigung von Herz und Geist) eine äußerst seltene und traditionelle innere Form des Shaolin Quan.

[Jadetiger]

Danke für die Richtigstellung!
Stimmt es trotzdem, dass die beiden Stile, wie in der von mir zitierten Textstelle behauptet, verwandt sind?

[T. Stoeppler]

Es gab eine Dokumentation über den Mönch und sein XingYiBa. Leider nur auf chinesisch - vielleicht hat jemand noch den link?

Also von der Bewegungsart her ist es definitiv mit Xing Yi verwandt. Von den Eingängen bei den Kampfanwendungen auch. Zumindest sagt das mein (in beiden Künsten ungeeübter) Blick.

Gruss, Thomas

[leopan8]

Hy

Hier ist eine interessante Seite die sich mit dem Xin Yi Quan , Xing Yi Quan beschäftigt!!!;)
Dort wird das Shaolin Xinyiba erwähnt.
http://www.chinafrominside.com/ma/xyxy.html
(siehe What is....)



There is other arts closely related to Xinyiquan. One is Shaolin Xinyiba, the most treasured of all Shaolin styles, while he other is called Jin Family Gongfu (Skill) and is still practiced by a small number of practitioners in Sichuan province.


Gruss
leopan8

[kediren]

http://www.die-pagode.de/xingyi_beschreibung.htm (http://www.die-pagode.de/xingyi_beschreibung.htm)

Und dazu noch..:

Xingyi Quan (Form and Meaning Boxing)

Xingyi Quan or the form and meaning boxing is also called Xinyi Quan (free-mind boxing), Xinyi Liuhe Quan (free-mind six-combination boxing)* or Liuhe Quan (six-combination boxing). There are two propositions about the name of this school of boxing. One holds that the body actions and movements should be guided by mind and that this school of boxing is an identity of mind and body; the other proposition states that this school of exercises are mere imitations of animal actions and movements and adopted the form and meaning of animal movements.

According to historical records, the creator of Xingyi Quan was Ji Jike (1602-1683) from Village Zuncun in Yongji County in Shanxi Province. A resident of the late Ming Dynasty and early Qing Dynasty, Ji Jike was also known as Ji Longfeng. On his trip south to the Shaolin Temple and Luoyang in Henan Province and Qiupu in Anhui Province, Ji Jike passed his art on to Zeng Jiwu. During the reign of Emperor Qianlong of the Qing Dynasty, Xingyi Quan was spread in Henan, Hebei and Shanxi provinces. Ma Xueli, a Luoyang resident in Henan, Dai Longbang, a resident of Qixian in Shanxi, and Li Luoneng, Dai's disciple from Hebei, all contributed to the dissemination and development of the boxing. Over centuries, this school of boxing is now practised in different styles. The Shanxi style is compact, delicate and yet forceful while the Henan style is powerful, vigorous and substantial. The Hebei style Stresses steadiness, sturdiness and comfort. As regards routines of fist fight, a similarity is seen between the Shanxi style and the Hebei style, both using three postures of the body, five major movements of axing, bursting, penetrating, hurling and traversing and imitations of 12 animal forms (dragon, tiger, monkey, horse, turtle, chicken, hawk, swallow, snake, owl, eagle and bear). The Henan style mainly imitates 10 animal forms (dragon, tiger, chicken, eagle, snake, horse, cat, monkey, hawk and swallow)

* Liuhe (six combinations) is a special term used in Wushu, Chinese martial arts. In the Shaolin school of Wushu, there is a special branch called Liuhe Men (six-combination-group), which includes Liuhe Quan (six-combination boxing), Liuhe spear (six-combination spear), Liuhe sabre (six-combination sabre), etc. One explanation is that the six combinations mean spirit, breath and mind (inner three combination) and hand, eye and body (outer three combination). Another explanation is that the six combinations are the combinations of eye and heart (or mind), heart (or mind) and breath, breath and body, body and hand, hand and foot, foot and hip.
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Übrigens waren sehr vielle Stille durch die Ming-Disidenten-Organisationen verbreitet worden.. :)

freundliche Grüße
Kediren

[thoschleg]

Wer ansonsten konkrete fragen hat, kann es mal hier (auf Englisch) probieren

wugulun@hotmail.com

Das ist die Adresse der Xinyiba-Schule in Deng Feng, in der Shi Xinxiao unterrichtet.

[kediren]

http://www.geocities.com/ottawakungfu/150HsingYi002.htm

:)

[Tokui]

ich such eine Xingyiquan schule in china.
hört sich einfach an isses aber nich, hab mal n bisschen gesucht aber so nichts gefunden.

Wär echt lässig wenn mir jemand weiter helfen könnte

["GZA"]

Versuchs mal auf Emptyflower

the emptyFlower forum • Index page (http://emptyflower.com/phpBB3/)

Da wird man dir bestimmt weiter helfen können



Grüße

[Klaus]

Ich denke auch. Oder auf chinafrominside.com (Jarek Symanskis Seite). Du kannst auch mal eine PN an den Betreiber von cyberkwoon.com schicken, der User "ffab", der antwortet aber oft nicht weil er nie da ist (turnt in China, Japan und Frankreich rum). Ich weiss gerade nicht wie sein Handle ist, aber Christophe hat da eine Zeit in China Xingyi gelernt, in der Nähe von Shanghai glaube ich. Den kann man vielleicht auch auf kwoon.info erreichen, der französische Ableger von Cyberkwoon. Die sprechen da normalerweise nur französisch, englisch verstehen die aber auch.

P.S.: Der Handle ist "chris", und er ist nur noch auf der französischen Seite "kwoon.info".