Mian Zhang Quan

[T. Stoeppler]

Das hat mir gut gefallen, da haben die CCTV Leute mal etwas feines ausgegraben:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDCol_-r9RE#t=1296

Sehenswert ab ca 15:00
Speer-Basisübungen
Kurzstock (cool)
Waffenlose Anwendungen
Jibengong

Gruss, Thomas

[Jadetiger]

Die Stocksachen sehen wirklich sehr cool aus!!

Ich hab den Bericht nur kurz überflogen aber das Ganze macht auf mich den Eindruck, als wäre das ein Stil für Pikenkämpfer:
- Was mache ich mit meiner Pike? (Pike)
- Was mache ich, wenn meine Pike abbricht? (mittellanger Stock)
- Was mache ich, wenn der Gegner meine Pike unterläuft? (waffenlos mit Fokus auf Rammen und Ringen)

Leider kann ich kein Chinesisch. Liege ich falsch mit meinem Eindruck?

[karate_Fan]

Ja ein wirklich sehr interessanter Clip. Danke fürs Teilen.

Zu schade, es keine Untertitel gibt und einen so die Hintergrundinfos, oder was auch immer die dort sagen, entgehen.

[Alephthau]

Hi,

Mal ein wenig geguckt:


Practiced for centuries but extremely rare today, Duan (Short) Quan (Boxing), is also known as MianZhangquan or Mianzhang Duanda (Cotton Palm Short Strikes). It is a combat orientated method from the Northern Hebei Province of China and is characterized by short simple sequences/routines and skillful close and long range approaches. The style originated in the Ming Dynasty and was developed in the Qing Dynasty.

Duanquan is the indigenous art of Gaoyang county in Hebei province and was practiced in the past by many families such as Yu, Zhou and Zhang in the county. Today the skill has reached the 9th and 10th generation since the founder that passed the skill to the Gaoyang county.

The key principles of Duanquan are found on the basis of close in range powerful strikes and that the hands and body move unison where required.

Introduction

The earliest records of Duanquan [Short Boxing] date back to the Ming Dynasty (1368 AD to 1644 AD)when in the classic text "Jixiao Xinshu" thought to be around 1560 AD by General Qi Jiguang, lists MianZhang's Duanda as one of the most effective. Qi Jiguang is therefore often acknowledged as the founder and as a result the style is sometimes known as Qi Jiguang Quan in addition to Mianzhang Duanda and Duanquan. In the Qing Dynasty Emperor QianLong Period（1735-1796), the art was passed on in Gao Yang County, Hebei Province and became known as Mian Zhang Quan, thereafter the styles name was simplified to Duan quan.　

Duanquan is a comprehensive martial art that includes weapons in addition to empty hand combat. It is one of the traditional styles practised in Gao Yang County, Bao Ding City and Cangzhou areas. Duanquan was historically considered to contain 12 or 16 sequences. Presently however in most lineages, only 8 sequences are practised, their contents are comprehensive and varied. In addition there are many weapons routines. Currently in Gao Yang County, those that can practise all of the 8 sequences are but a minor few.

Transmission to Gaoyang Village

The art was passed in the Qing dynasty by a Master Su Feng from Jiang Su Province. It is said that around 1750, a wanderer (Su Feng) had stopped at an inn during sunset. Whilst having dinner he observed some people practising martial arts, without cause he approached them and asked “The boxing your practising is it useful/effective”, the leader of the group exclaimed “of course it is, if you don’t believe it why don’t you try”. At that instant the insulted leader attacked Master Su, then without a very discreet and gentle “Zhang Peng” duanquan movement broke the attack. After continuous attacks the leader of the group failed and bowed down requesting to be accepted as a student. Master Su refused and retired to his quarters for the evening. On the next morning, early in the morning 15 students including those of the previous day were kneeling outside the inn and pleaded with Master Su to be accepted as disciples. After observing the humble nature of the village he decided to stay and impart his knowledge to villagers of Gao Yang.

In the first few days the teacher requested students to practise Zhan Dong (Standing exercise or Zhanzhuang) which is an arduous practice of holding posture for long periods of time (often hours). Only after successful completion of this requirement did Master Su Feng impart to them the Mian Zhang Duan Da skills.

For generations the art remained in the hands of a few families (mainly Zhang, Yu and Zhou) in Gao Yang counties. Just as Master Su was selective in whom he taught, the latter generations also respected this methodology. This same approach ensured only the correct inheritors were passed the skill but also ended up impacting the prolongation and popularity of the method. Master Yu Xuelang and Yu Zhangwen were famous exponents of the Yu Style of Duanquan and passed the skill to their family and disciples.

Principles

Duanquan specialises in combining the whole bodies power into a central path, in this requirement the energy required to release power is considered internal in nature, it is also characterised by its tight horse stance that is narrower than most common arts. Though named duanquan (Short Boxing), it is common that Changquan is not long and duanquan is not short.

The Style functions at all angles and distances, however due to its striking methodology maximum power is reached as short contact, for this purpose the style is also capable of entering large distances at ease by its footwork. An old couplet “San Cun Bu Jie, Qi Cun bu Da” [Three inches cannot be deflected, seven inches cannot strike] depicts the concept of Duanquan as for to ensure effectiveness of attack a strike must be within three inches of its target ideally and no further than seven. Mainly so that the power in the strike is real and sufficient to pass through rather than merely reach.

The key methods and strategies follow the simple five unique points:

* Duan (Short)
* Kuai (Fast)
* Bian (Change)
* Quan (Circle)
* Bo (Thunder)

Duan is the frame under which the style functions, short yet efficient and practical with no flowery movements. Kuai,is the speed of each technique, note that the techniques are not interlinked quickly but each movement is accelerated. It is said that as fast as a spirit. It is also said “Jiao Sui Shou Chi, Shou Sui Jiao Luo” (Leg follows, hands rise: hands follow legs drop). Bian requires fast nimble balanced changes of technique, angulation and movement. Quan, is that in each movement small circles exist and it is in this way that power can be executed. This is also a way of silk reeling power. Bo, refers to the harmony of both hard and soft. So that all power can be released as one unrelentless. “Jin Duan Li Meng” ( Power is short strength is fierce ).

Fundamentals

The stepping and footwork is unique in Duanquan, since the stances are fairly short therefore we spend a significant time on developing the basic strength and skills required. Some of these fundamentals are noted below:

Zhan Dang (站档，Standing Exercises)

* Zheng Dang (Straight Stance)
* Xie Dang (Angled Stance)

Jiben Fa (基本法， Basic Methods)
Duanquan favors mastery of techniques and focuses on application to combat thus the early stages are dedicated to such practice. With over 18 key techniques forming the basis of which some are noted below:

* San Tang Chui (3 Sequential Strikes)
* Si Chui (Tear apart strike)
* Zhi Chui (straight Strike)
* Bao Huan Beng Da (Embracing Crushing Strike)
* Bao Huan Kai Da (Embracing Opening Strike)
* Za Chui (Hammer Strike)
* Diao Shou (Diao Hands)
* Pi Zhang (Splitting Palm)
* Ti Zhou (Lifted Elbow)
* Cun Tui (Inch Kick)
* Tiao Ti (Lifting Kick)
* Zong Da (Vertical Strike)

Tangzi (趟子, Empty Hands Sets)

In Duanquan, the sets are very short and repetitive as the intention is to introduce further techniques and methods. Thus each new set althoguh short includes completely new techniques compared to the previous one. We only practice 12 sets (some records suggest 16 had existed). Duanquan is considered almost an extinct art and most practitioners have practiced other martial arts thereby contributing to its dilution. Its methods however remain unique and effective thereby necessary for their preservation.

* Mian Sha Zhang (Cotton Sand Palms)
* Sui Shou (Following Hands)
* Pi Xin Zhang (Splitting the Heart Palms)
* Yu Huan Bu (Jade Step Fist)
* Li Wai Fa (Inside and Outside Releasing)
* Yuan Yang Zhang (Yuan Yang Palms)
* Kai Tian Pi Di ( Open heaven split the earth)
* Ba Gua Quan (8 Trigrams Fist)
* Tie Kao Zhang (Press in Closing Palms)
* Nien Lan Pa Da (Adhering and Smashing Strikes)
* Shan Kao Zhang (Mountain Leaning Palms)
* Tian Di Huan Fa (Heaven and Earth Changing Methods)

Qiexie (器械, Weapons)

The weapons techniques of Duanquan follow many of its principles - technique and body methods , as well as the relatively shortness of the sets.

Qun Qiou Da Dao (Spring Autumn Long Handled Broadsword)
Shi San Da Qiang (Long Spear)
Shuang Dao Tiao Ba Gua (Double Broadswords Jumping 8 Trigrams)
Hu Shou Shuang Gou (Guarding Hands Double Hook Swords)
Cai Hong Jian (Rainbow Sword)
Fo Chen (Religious Whisk)
Shuang Bi Shou(Double Daggers)
Pu Dao (Long Handled Chopping Broadsword)
Dan Dao (Single Broadsword)
Shuang Dao (Double Broadsword)
Qun Yang Gun (Shepherd's Staff)
Liu He Qiang (6 Co-ordinations Spear
Pi Shou Gan zi Dui Lian (Axe Hand stick 2-man set
Er Lang Gun Dui Lian ( Er Lang Pole 2-man set)

the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum ? View topic - Mian Quan Cotton Boxing (http://www.rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13533)

Gruß

Alef

[karate_Fan]

Ah sehr fein. Danke für die ausführlichen Infos. :)

[T. Stoeppler]

@Jadetiger

Klingt auch plausibel. Bei den meisten "alten" Traditionen findet sich sehr viel Arbeit mit dem langen Speer und davon ist viel Bodywork abgeleitet; ist beim Xing Yi ja nicht anders. Da kommt ganz oft diese kompakte Körperarbeit her :)

Gruss, Thomas

[Jadetiger]

In Europa gab es eine spezialisierte Pikenierausbildung. Daher kam mein Gedanke.
Was oben steht hört sich aber doch weniger spezialisiert an.

[T. Stoeppler]

Also so rein von der Zeitangabe der angeblichen Stilbegründung (so man der denn Glauben schenken mag) wird da eine militärisch geprägte Ausbildung zugrunde liegen... da sind bestimmt mal (Da) Qiang und Dao klar im Vordergrund gewesen.

Gruss, Thomas

[karate_Fan]

In Europa gab es eine spezialisierte Pikenierausbildung. Daher kam mein Gedanke.
Was oben steht hört sich aber doch weniger spezialisiert an.

Gibt dafür eigene Manuels die man sich zur Piken Ausbildung ansehen könnte?

Aber jetzt zurück zu den CMA: Ein Grund warum ich die CMA ja so interessant finde, ist, dass sie scheinbar weniger spezialisiert ist, als die so manche andere Kampfsysteme anderer Kulturen..

Man scheint es geschafft zu haben das man die waffenlosen und die Anwendung der Waffen alles in einem Guss zu lassen, ohne da was zu trennen. Das ist echt fasziniert, sofern ich da nichts falsch verstanden haben sollte..

Dann bitte ich darum mich sofort korrigieren.

[Jadetiger]

Gibt dafür eigene Manuels die man sich zur Piken Ausbildung ansehen könnte?Frag mal den User OliverJ. Er ist ein Experte auf dem Gebiet europäische Stangenwaffen und kann dir da sicher Quellen nennen. Ich hoffe dein Mittelhochdeutsch ist noch nicht zu sehr eingerostet ;) (Scherz! Es gibt auch neuere Quellen und Translationen)

[Huangshan]

T. Stoeppler

Danke fürs posten.

Ergänzung:

Quelle:

http://www.taipinginstitute.com/menu-styles/zy/duan-quan


Mian Zhang Quan------>Duanquan | 短拳

The earliest records of Duanquan [Short Boxing] date back to the Ming Dynasty (1368 AD to 1644 AD)when in the classic text "Jixiao Xinshu" thought to be around 1560 AD by General Qi Jiguang, lists MianZhang's Duanda as one of the most effective. Mianzhang is therefore often acknowledged as the founder and as a result the style is sometimes known as Mianzhangquan in addition to Mianzhang Duanda and Duanquan. In the Qing Dynasty Emperor QianLong Period（1735-1796), the art was passed on in Gao Yang County, Hebei Province and became known as Mian Zhang Quan, thereafter the styles name was simplified to Duan quan.　


Duanquan is a comprehensive martial art that includes weapons in addition to empty hand combat. It is one of the traditional styles practised in Gao Yang County, Bao Ding City and Cangzhou areas. Duanquan was historically considered to contain 12 or 16 sequences. Presently however in most lineages, only 8 sequences are practised, their contents are comprehensive and varied. In addition there are many weapons routines. Currently in Gao Yang County, those that can practise all of the 8 sequences are but a minor few.

Anwendungen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1I6h3sHBNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy2gFQVEt_I


In einigen Stilen(z.B. Yanqingquan | 燕青拳 / Mizongquan | 迷踪拳) ..... gibt es Formen mit der Bezeichnung Mianzhang Quan (绵掌拳 Cotton Palm Boxing).

[karate_Fan]

@Jadetiger Sorry erst jetzt gesehen.:o Danke für den Tipp.


@Huangshan Danke für die weiteren Hintergrundinfos.