PeterScholz
21-06-2017, 12:57
Michael Tang veröffentlichte am Montag, den 10.04.2017 04:14
UTC+01:00 folgenden Text:
15. 我是木人椿 I Am Wooden Dummy
貧賤不移 威武不屈 [ Pan4 Caan4 Bat1 Ji4 : Neither poverty nor lowly condition can make (him) swerve from his principle. Wai1 Mou5 Bat1 Wat1: Neither threats nor force can bend him. (These saying was by Mengzi, a Chinese philosopher 372 – 289 BC. He once debated with someone the definition of "real man") ]
The wooden dummy is a very important "tool" in the 永春拳 [ Weng Chun Kuen ], and is my best training partner, as it never felt tire. It is available always, and responded fair and square to the effort one pays and it never hit back!!
As I mentioned in earlier section, Tang Yik taught two dummy forms, someone called them Heaven and Human. This was not heard of from Tang Yik. The two dummy forms are very similar, with the dummy form learnt from Fei Loi Temple got a few more foot techniques, and apart from such, there are no fundamental difference. What I believe was that such "divergences" was due to variations in individual's memory.
The dummy that Tang Yik used in the teaching in Playing Field Road was built in 1969, basing on measurements taken at Dai Duk Lan. One could see a fundamental difference between that with the Ines people used today would be location of the top cross bar. In the Dai Duk Lan dummy, the cross bar was below the top "arms", while most of the current dummies have the cross bar above the top two arms. I personally like the original format as it possibly simulates more a real human, support of the upper body would be from the spine and the response to the double hand hit (onto the head or shoulder) would be better.
Another variation that Tang Yik asked us to do after I broke the dummy's arm. The original arm was slim, same as what I saw a lot of dummies on the market. After the arm was broken, he asked us to increase the size (diameter) of the arms as well as widening up the tip of the arms by about 2 inches. What he said was that do not try to exercise nor fight with "someone" with such a slim arm!!! Also, increasing the diameter would spread the impact onto human's arm and this would allow one to exert a stronger hitting power. Widening the tip of the arm would also allow better hitting power and also reduce constraints on the movement. This is important with 永春拳 [ Weng Chun Kuen ] as we do not squeeze in our Kiu, and enable a better training on control by Yi Do Sao (二度手).
The 永春樁 [ Weng Chun Zong, Weng Chun Dummy ] would need to be practiced like the hand form stages - Earth, Water, Fire and Wind. After the squarely exercises conditioning correctness and body form, body movement and arm movements, one should hit the dummy with explosive power, while maintaining control and contact of Kiu. One should also practice the dummy forms with soft and sometimes with a pseudo contact, I.e., keeping the Kiu just touching the dummy's arm and let the mind flow with movement.
It is very important to exercise the dummy form with explosive power. Tang Yik always said, ChiSao and Two Man Set trainings are not for force of Kiu (橋力 [ Kiu Lik]), they are for feeling, to develop reflex action and balance. The dummy is the platform for one to develop explosive hitting power. The movements should be continuous and we never pull the Kiu back and hit again.
Another point that I got from my own experience. To save a few dollars, instead of supporting the dummy in the traditional way or mounting such on a frame, I suspended the dummy. Eventually I loved such as the suspension format allowed a three dimensional freedom and enabled a better expression of hitting power and correct body posture. Tang Yik actually said, if someone is as strong as the dummy and so rigid and did not move against hitting of ones spiralling Kiu, do not fight with him!!!! The fact is that if one hits, like a 破排 [ Po Paai ] or 滾手 [ Kwan Sao ] on a conventional dummy which would only move front and back, one has to move too much to the side and this would create bad body co-ordination. Understand that one of Chu Chung Man's student had adopted such option.
Quelle:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1936493169928490/permalink/1950214075223066/
https://youtu.be/7V3A3uFTqU8
Kapitel 16: http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f134/weng-chun-history-sicht-tang-familie-16-earth-water-fire-and-wind-183294/
UTC+01:00 folgenden Text:
15. 我是木人椿 I Am Wooden Dummy
貧賤不移 威武不屈 [ Pan4 Caan4 Bat1 Ji4 : Neither poverty nor lowly condition can make (him) swerve from his principle. Wai1 Mou5 Bat1 Wat1: Neither threats nor force can bend him. (These saying was by Mengzi, a Chinese philosopher 372 – 289 BC. He once debated with someone the definition of "real man") ]
The wooden dummy is a very important "tool" in the 永春拳 [ Weng Chun Kuen ], and is my best training partner, as it never felt tire. It is available always, and responded fair and square to the effort one pays and it never hit back!!
As I mentioned in earlier section, Tang Yik taught two dummy forms, someone called them Heaven and Human. This was not heard of from Tang Yik. The two dummy forms are very similar, with the dummy form learnt from Fei Loi Temple got a few more foot techniques, and apart from such, there are no fundamental difference. What I believe was that such "divergences" was due to variations in individual's memory.
The dummy that Tang Yik used in the teaching in Playing Field Road was built in 1969, basing on measurements taken at Dai Duk Lan. One could see a fundamental difference between that with the Ines people used today would be location of the top cross bar. In the Dai Duk Lan dummy, the cross bar was below the top "arms", while most of the current dummies have the cross bar above the top two arms. I personally like the original format as it possibly simulates more a real human, support of the upper body would be from the spine and the response to the double hand hit (onto the head or shoulder) would be better.
Another variation that Tang Yik asked us to do after I broke the dummy's arm. The original arm was slim, same as what I saw a lot of dummies on the market. After the arm was broken, he asked us to increase the size (diameter) of the arms as well as widening up the tip of the arms by about 2 inches. What he said was that do not try to exercise nor fight with "someone" with such a slim arm!!! Also, increasing the diameter would spread the impact onto human's arm and this would allow one to exert a stronger hitting power. Widening the tip of the arm would also allow better hitting power and also reduce constraints on the movement. This is important with 永春拳 [ Weng Chun Kuen ] as we do not squeeze in our Kiu, and enable a better training on control by Yi Do Sao (二度手).
The 永春樁 [ Weng Chun Zong, Weng Chun Dummy ] would need to be practiced like the hand form stages - Earth, Water, Fire and Wind. After the squarely exercises conditioning correctness and body form, body movement and arm movements, one should hit the dummy with explosive power, while maintaining control and contact of Kiu. One should also practice the dummy forms with soft and sometimes with a pseudo contact, I.e., keeping the Kiu just touching the dummy's arm and let the mind flow with movement.
It is very important to exercise the dummy form with explosive power. Tang Yik always said, ChiSao and Two Man Set trainings are not for force of Kiu (橋力 [ Kiu Lik]), they are for feeling, to develop reflex action and balance. The dummy is the platform for one to develop explosive hitting power. The movements should be continuous and we never pull the Kiu back and hit again.
Another point that I got from my own experience. To save a few dollars, instead of supporting the dummy in the traditional way or mounting such on a frame, I suspended the dummy. Eventually I loved such as the suspension format allowed a three dimensional freedom and enabled a better expression of hitting power and correct body posture. Tang Yik actually said, if someone is as strong as the dummy and so rigid and did not move against hitting of ones spiralling Kiu, do not fight with him!!!! The fact is that if one hits, like a 破排 [ Po Paai ] or 滾手 [ Kwan Sao ] on a conventional dummy which would only move front and back, one has to move too much to the side and this would create bad body co-ordination. Understand that one of Chu Chung Man's student had adopted such option.
Quelle:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1936493169928490/permalink/1950214075223066/
https://youtu.be/7V3A3uFTqU8
Kapitel 16: http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f134/weng-chun-history-sicht-tang-familie-16-earth-water-fire-and-wind-183294/