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jkdberlin
13-04-2005, 08:06
Naja, finde ich ziemlich fragwürdig, was die Jungs da machen...scheint eher eine Schule für Mörder zu sein...http://www.mubai.cc/silatmubai-introvid.WMV
Grüsse
Naja, finde ich ziemlich fragwürdig, was die Jungs da machen...scheint eher eine Schule für Mörder zu sein...http://www.mubai.cc/silatmubai-introvid.WMV
Grüsse
der boss von denen sieht ja ganz schön finster aus in seinem tarnanzug ...
und hammers-sound !!!hab gleich mal die lautsprecher auf anschlag gemacht und angefangen bauchtanz zu tanzen! ;)
das andere video ist auch heftig, da ziehts einem beim zusehen ganz schön die ei... zusammen :ups:
gruss.
jkd-newbie
13-04-2005, 08:42
Naja, finde ich ziemlich fragwürdig, was die Jungs da machen...scheint eher eine Schule für Mörder zu sein...http://www.mubai.cc/silatmubai-introvid.WMV
Grüsse
Dem kann ich nur zustimmen. Das ganze hinterlässt auch bei mir einen unangenehmen Nachgeschmack. Vielleicht ist der Vergleich nicht ganz passend, aber ich denke bei sowas immer an die "Wehrsportgruppe Hoffmann".
Die ganze Site ist irgendwie fragwürdig, besonders das Forum scheint ein Tummelplatz für Radikale zu sein.
naja für mich sieht das son bissl wie ein tschteschnisches ausbildungscamp aus...im forum heisst dort zum beispiel ein eintrag: "Tribute to our Brother General Azlan Mashkadov",wers nicht weiss, dass ist der von russischen spezialeinheiten getötete tschetschenische ex-präsident, treuer bassajew-anhänger glaubich zumindest...
gruss.
sumbrada
13-04-2005, 10:20
Ich hab bei dem irgendwie nicht den geringsten Zweifel, dass er weiss, wo von er spricht. Spricht fürs System, aber....
Also vor allem Killing Zone: Silat Mubai Lethal Combatives ist extrem!
Da reichen die Techniken von Genickbruch und Co. bis zum 'Mensch als Schild benutzen und schießen' .. erinnert arg an Geiselnehmer.
Sind aber trotzdem interessante CDs!
Vielleicht als ergänzende (und ins Bild der schon getätigten Äußerungen Richtung islamisch-fanatischer Kämpfer passender) Informationen :
Die im Clip gezeigten arabischen Zitate sind zum einen die erste Sure im Koran "Al Fateha". Sie besteht aus Dank für den Gott, Lobung des Gottes mit seinen Adjektiven und einem Gebet. Außerdem wird gegen Ende des Clips der Name "Allah" gezeigt.
Rgds,
Ryushin
Ich habe einige Videos von Silat Mubai, unter anderem auch "Taking Human Shields". Da geht es darum, dass wenn man ein Messer hat und von mehreren Leuten mit Schusswaffen angegriffen wird, versucht einen als Schutzschild zu nehmen.
Ustaz Hussein (der Gründer Silat Mubais) ist gegen Terrorismus der Zivilisten trifft, jedoch nicht gegen den Widerstand wie es ihn z.B. in Tschetschenien gibt. Auch hier macht er einen klaren Unterschied zwischen den Terroristen die Anschläge auf russische Zivilisten verüben und Kämpfern (er nennt sie immer Krieger), die gegen russische Truppen kämpfen.
Das Forum ist besonders interessant, weil es dort Leute mit den unterschiedlichsten KK-Hintergründen gibt, die verschiedene indonesische, malayische oder philippinische Kuntao/Silat/Arnis Systeme trainieren.
Dear SMI Members and Friends,
The issue of terrorism is a very serious one that can not be ignored without paying a heavy price. There have been many people of late who have paraded themselves around as "Mujahideen", Muslim Warriors, then go on to take part in hideous crimes against their fellow human beings. This kind of hypocrisy and foulness is the exact opposite of what our Warrior Tradition and Chivalry has taught for centuries. SMI strives to teach people the authentic Military Traditions of the Warrior Prophet Muhamad, peace and blessing be upon him, and therefore we can never allow ourselves to take part in or support any actions that are outside of the spirit of this tradition. Even if that action is against an enemy force. The specific targeting of civilians in combat operations, offensive or defensive, has been clearly prohibited by the Prophet Muhamad (pbuh) himself on multiple occasions and we are transmitted these traditions from authenticated (Sahih) narrations of his companions. These have been the standing rules of engagement for the Muslim Army (Jaysh) and Fedayeen (Special Operations Forces) for centuries and will never change.
Any and all individuals who go against this ruling and who specifically target civilians are no longer acceptable under the banner of the Warriors. They fall short of the main requirement necessarry to be considered a true Warrior, Honour. Therefore they should be treated like any other criminal and brought to justice in one way or another. SMI completely supports justified combative action against an enemy as long as the Warriors respect the Military regulations of the Rasool of Allah Muhamad Ibn Abdullah, peace and blessing be upon him. Unjust wars against innocent people are a sure ticket to perdition and a shameful mockery of the great Military legacy the Muslim Warrior Traditions have been famed for and dedicated to preserving.
May we all remain on the straight path.
Ustaz Hussein Udom Al-Hanafi Al-Qadiri
Khalifa/Chief Tactical Instructor
Silat Mubai International
Quelle: www.mubai.cc/smiterrorism-statement.htm
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
13-04-2005, 18:08
Geile Musik.
Das Video ist besser als das alte Video wo ein mit einem Messer bewaffneter einen unbewaffneten absticht, mit einem Besen auf den Gegner einprügelt und dann auf den am Boden liegenden spuckt. Vielleicht hat das Video ja noch jemand.
Grüße
Christian
christian, ich habe die alten Clips noch. Musst da was verwechselt haben. In einem wird jemand mit einem Messer angegriffen. Nachdem er den Angreifer entwaffnet hat schnappt er sich einen Besen, schlägt damit auf den Angreifer ein, schnappt sich dann das Messer und schicht auf den Angreifer ein. Zum Schluss rennt er einfach nur weg.
In einem anderne Clip wird eine typische "Schubssituation" gezeigt. Nachdem der Angreifer am Boden fixiert ist, bekommt er mit der flachen Hand einige Klapse auf den Hinterkopf. Der Verteidiger steht dann auf und geht weg. Im Weggehen versetzt er dem Angreifer noch einen Tritt. Als er sich schon von dem Angreifer entfernt hat, mimt er als wenn er spuckt. Praktisch "Bah, was bist du denn für einer?" Hoffe ihr versteht, was ich meine.
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
14-04-2005, 06:39
Hi Moritz,
kann schon sein daß ich da was durcheinanderschmeiße. Die Clips sind auf jedenfall anders als die "normalen" SV-Clips :D
Ich hoffe nur das der Trailer nicht in die Hände von RTL-Exclusiv Reportern fällt.
Grüße
Christian
Hm, man könnte denen den ja mal zuspielen ... aber ich glaub da würd nix großes draus werden. Vielleicht ein kleiner Beitrag bei "Explosiv" und das war's.
sumbrada
14-04-2005, 07:27
Hm, man könnte denen den ja mal zuspielen ... aber ich glaub da würd nix großes draus werden. Vielleicht ein kleiner Beitrag bei "Explosiv" und das war's.
Was meinst du, auf wen das zurückfällt.
Fragwürdige Sachen hab ich schon oft bei den südostasiatischen Systemen gesehen. Es sind halt ursprünglich Kriegskünste gewesen, dadurch sehr effektiv, aber wegen dieser Ursprünglichkeit teilweise auch ziemlich brutal.
bomber_82
14-04-2005, 08:02
Voll das Propaganda Video. Vorallem am Schluß da zeigen die den früheren Feldzug der Osmanen. Da können sie ja stolz drauf sein :hammer: :dumm:
jkd-newbie
14-04-2005, 10:08
Fragwürdige Sachen hab ich schon oft bei den südostasiatischen Systemen gesehen. Es sind halt ursprünglich Kriegskünste gewesen, dadurch sehr effektiv, aber wegen dieser Ursprünglichkeit teilweise auch ziemlich brutal.
Die Techniken find ich ganz OK. Die gibt's so in vielen Stilen. Mich stört eher der Kontext in dem das Ganze bei Silat Mubai präsentiert wird.
Gruß
Heiko
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
14-04-2005, 10:22
Die Techniken find ich ganz OK. Die gibt's so in vielen Stilen. Mich stört eher der Kontext in dem das Ganze bei Silat Mubai präsentiert wird.
Gruß
Heiko
:halbyeaha
Sehe ich auch so, ich finde es immer bedenklich wenn Kampftechniken an eine Ideologie gebunden sind.
Grüße
Christian
sumbrada
14-04-2005, 10:44
Über das in Deutschland gültige Maß an Selbstverteidigung gehen einige Dinge eindeutig hinaus. An sich finde ich die Techniken auch nicht schlimm, nur ist es eben eine Frage, ob die Presse, wenn sie Wind davon bekommt, differenziert, oder alle KK an den Pranger stellt.
jkd-newbie
14-04-2005, 10:55
:halbyeaha
Sehe ich auch so, ich finde es immer bedenklich wenn Kampftechniken an eine Ideologie gebunden sind.
Grüße
Christian
Genau. Die ganze Aufmachung der Seite soll. m. E. eine ganz bestimmte Klientel ansprechen.
Und wie man im Forum sehen kann, funktioniert das auch ganz gut. Die halbherzigen Disclaimer des "Chief Tactical Instructors" können da nicht wirklich 'drüber hinwegtäuschen.
Eigentlich sehr schade, weil das System an sich wirklich sehr interessant aussieht. Außerdem frage ich mich, ab diese Präsentation eine Marketingstrategie ist (dann fände ich es schade, daß man so was nötig hat), oder ob der erste Eindruck sich bestätigt, wenn man hinter die Kulissen blickt (das fände ich sehr bedenklich).
Grüsse
Heiko
Was haltet ihr davon, wenn wir einfach einen englischsprachigen Thread dazu aufmachen und ich schreibe Ustaz Hussein dann eine E-Mail, so dass er sich hier anmelden und selbst Stellung beziehen kann?
jkdberlin
14-04-2005, 11:36
Dazu brauchen wir doch keinen neuen Thread...das geht doch auch direkt hier in diesem Thread.
Grüsse
jkd-newbie
14-04-2005, 11:37
Great idea. Let's hear what he has to say ;)
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
14-04-2005, 12:08
O.K., wer schreibt die e-mail? Nicht daß wir den armen Kerl jetzt bombardieren weil ihn jeder anmailt.
Grüße
Christian
sumbrada
14-04-2005, 13:10
O.K., wer schreibt die e-mail? Nicht daß wir den armen Kerl jetzt bombardieren weil ihn jeder anmailt.
Grüße
Christian
Oder er uns. ;)
Wäre auf jedenFall mal interessant zu lesen.
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
14-04-2005, 13:37
O.K., e-mail ist raus. Ich bin mal gespannt.
Grüße
Christian
O.K., e-mail ist raus. Ich bin mal gespannt.
Grüße
Christian
ich glaube dass sind wir alle !!!!! :D :) :D
Ustaz_Hussein
14-04-2005, 15:46
Salam/Hello,
My name is Hussein Udom Al-Hanafi Al-Qadiri. Currently I am the Khalifa (leader) of Silat Mubai International, the largest English speaking resource site for Muslim Warrior Arts and Military Culture. I was invited to speak on this forum by one of your administrators concerning the nature of the SMI website and its members.
Given this is a German language website I was luckily able to read all your comments prior to writing as I read and speak German but write too poorly to make it public. I see that many people have strong misunderstandings of Muslim Warrior Arts and culture, and given the current political climate in the world I can understand those worries perfectly. I am a teacher by profession so I would be pleased to answer any questions you might have about our arts and culture, in detail or in brief.
I did see one thing in my perusal of your site that sparked my interest,
"Sehe ich auch so, ich finde es immer bedenklich wenn Kampftechniken an eine Ideologie gebunden sind."
This is a common problem for many Western people as religion does not enter into their mainstream lives, especially when related to Military and Martial Arts. In Eastern cultures it is quite normal to see religion taking part in Martial and Military practice. Anyone who has spent time in Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore learning Silat will attest to this fact quite readily so don't let it worry you all too much.
I usually stay away from public forums unless it is a benefit to education and building bridges between cultures and people. In this case I see this opportunity so I will be happy to talk with you all.
wasalam/take care,
Ustaz Hussein
--
Khalifa Silat Mubai
www.mubai.cc
@U- Hussein
One question from my side:
Do you separate religion (Islam) and your martial art? Or do you understand it so, that it is necessary to be Muslim to practice it/ be part of your group?
Does your training serve the ideas of self defence and physical/ historical culture? Or is there a certain "mission" or ideologie involved?
Thanks
Hi,
I would like to know if you see your style as self-defence?
Dear Mr. Hussein,
I hope you understand that especially in the past 9/11 era, your website as well as your practice causes a lot of discomfort with many people. Also websites like these (http://www.mubai.cc/general-azlanm.htm) where tribute is being paid to a suspected backer of the horrifying hostage-taking in a school in Beslan, generates a certain feeling of uneasiness. Please understand my questions as a try to relief certain misgivings.
1.) What is your political position?
2.) I have read your statement on terrorism (http://www.mubai.cc/smiterrorism-statement.htm) how do your ensure that muslims which are trained in your deadly art don't wander off into terrorist movements with their knowledge? How do you ensure that terrorist movements don't use your teachings to enhance their skills?
3.) Watching the video, I had the impression that there is some similarity or maybe an influence by Sayoc Kali (http://www.sayoc.com/). Is there any connection?
4.) I was not able to find any adress. Where are you based?
Sincerely,
Marlon
Ustaz_Hussein
15-04-2005, 01:07
Salam/Hello,
Thank you for your questions. I will do my best to reply in sincerity.
Mars:
Question 1. "Do you separate religion (Islam) and your martial art? Or it is necessary to be Muslim to practice it/ be part of your group? Does your training serve the ideas of self defence and physical/ historical culture? Or is there a certain "mission" or ideologie involved?"
Answer: Sir, I live in China and my wife is Chinese Muslim. Most of my students here are not Muslims but rather foreigners, usually Christians, from Western countries or local people of various religions. I teach people Silat Mubai as a way to educate people about the Military Arts of the Muslim community and to share our Futawa (Chivalry) and internal human development aspects with them. In traditional Islamic teaching we do not discriminate against people who are Christians or Jews, they are called "Ahl al-Kitab", the people of the book and are treated with respect. Some of the best students I have are Christians and they appreciate the Chivalry within our system as much as a Muslim does. Discrimination has never been and will never be part of our way. As to the question of ideology, well honestly, I'm not a politician neither do I wish to be one. I'm a teacher and so believe in education to change people's hearts not honeyed words and mindgames, that's why I'm on this forum.
El Loco:
Question: "I would like to know if you see your style as self-defence?"
Answer: No I do not. Silat Mubai is a Military Fighting Art with strong roots in the Malay Silat Arts and Turkish Ottoman Military Culture. Everything in the curriculum of Silat Mubai can be adapted to Military, Law Enforcement or Civilian application. We are not limited specifically to defensive arts.
Marlon:
Question 1: "I hope you understand that especially in the past 9/11 era, your website as well as your practice causes a lot of discomfort with many people. Also websites like these (http://www.mubai.cc/general-azlanm.htm) where tribute is being paid to a suspected backer of the horrifying hostage-taking in a school in Beslan, generates a certain feeling of uneasiness. Please understand my questions as a try to relief certain misgivings.
1.) What is your political position?"
Answer: First in defence of Sidi Azlan Mashkadov. He was no terrorist, never was and never could have been. Other elements in Chechnya fight in a way that he did not agree with and that I do not agree with, i.e. using force against civilians. I will state very clearly for the record that ANY offensive terrorist action taken against a civilian population is a criminal act and is against Islamic Military Codes of Conduct established by the Warrior Prophet Muhamad, peace and blessings be upon him. Even political figures in Western countries were against the attack on Sidi Azlan because he was a figure of intelligence and moderation in Chechnya. I truly hope that you criticize the Russians and their invasion of our land, rape, murder, and attempted genocide of Muslims in Chechnya as harsh as you judge our side Sir. Muslims are fighting a horrendous enemy in Chechnya, anyone familiar with the Russian Army and their sickening tactics and abuses there can confirm this.
Question 2: "I have read your statement on terrorism (http://www.mubai.cc/smiterrorism-statement.htm) how do your ensure that muslims which are trained in your deadly art don't wander off into terrorist movements with their knowledge? How do you ensure that terrorist movements don't use your teachings to enhance their skills?"
Answer: How do you know they won't visit you for training in your deadly art? Or visit Sayoc Kali for a short seminar on how to kill people "all blade all the time" and run away to Al-Qaeda. Combat training and blade fighting skills are available everywhere in Germany and America, these guys don't need to fly to China to get it from me. I'm far too restrictive on who I teach for them to like me.
Sir, we all try our best to screen the people that train with us to the best of our ability. I am very selective of the people I give knowledge to and I try to be a good judge of character based on my experiences in life, and common sense. I go as far as photocopying passports and fingerprinting visiting students to ensure that I have enough documentation to provide Law Enforcement in case of a problem like this. I am very careful if I don't know people, more careful than the average Silat or Kali instructor in North America where terrorist potentials can sign up for $80 a month without question and train with people who have serious skills. To be honest, Muslim terrorist wannabees don't bother to come to me because I can spot them too easily. They are my own people and I know them like I know myself. It is much easier for them to walk into a Sayoc Kali school, call themselves Abby instead of Abdullah, put on a baseball hat and take classes without anyone asking questions or thinking anything is wrong. Just collecting money. If I were you I would be more worried about the commercial schools which teach anyone who can pay these type of skills which are very deadly.
Question 3: "Watching the video, I had the impression that there is some similarity or maybe an influence by Sayoc Kali (http://www.sayoc.com/). Is there any connection?"
Answer: We have nothing to do with SKG. There are SMI members who have trained with them in the past but there is no specific influence on Silat Mubai. Sayoc, Pekiti, Arnis, and the rest are all from similar roots. We train a Silat based art so there is bound to be some crossovers in understanding, but surely nothing that can be termed as strong as "influence".
Question 4: "I was not able to find any address. Where are you based?""
Answer: I live in China with my wife and I don't teach commercially. I train private students and overseas students interested in learning our art aswell as doing seminars in Australia which is home to the Silat Mubai Academy. The SMA is a defense oriented Martial Arts school helping people to develop essential real world fighting skills but the information taught is more civilian oriented. The more combative Military aspects of the system are guarded for trusted students who have proven themselves worthy and good human beings. You can visit our main website for more information about training locations. I believe the nearest one to you would be in Sweden where we have a training group.
Gentleman I hope these answers are sufficient to start our conversation. Take care of yourselves and your families and may God guide us all to the straight path.
Ustaz Hussein
@u- Hussein
Thank you for your answers, Sir. They show that you are openminded.
How about people, who are not Ahl al-Kitab (for example Buddhist, Atheists, etc.)?
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
15-04-2005, 07:36
Answer: How do you know they won't visit you for training in your deadly art? Or visit Sayoc Kali for a short seminar on how to kill people "all blade all the time" and run away to Al-Qaeda. Combat training and blade fighting skills are available everywhere in Germany and America, these guys don't need to fly to China to get it from me. I'm far too restrictive on who I teach for them to like me.
Sir, we all try our best to screen the people that train with us to the best of our ability. I am very selective of the people I give knowledge to and I try to be a good judge of character based on my experiences in life, and common sense. I go as far as photocopying passports and fingerprinting visiting students to ensure that I have enough documentation to provide Law Enforcement in case of a problem like this. I am very careful if I don't know people, more careful than the average Silat or Kali instructor in North America where terrorist potentials can sign up for $80 a month without question and train with people who have serious skills. To be honest, Muslim terrorist wannabees don't bother to come to me because I can spot them too easily. They are my own people and I know them like I know myself. It is much easier for them to walk into a Sayoc Kali school, call themselves Abby instead of Abdullah, put on a baseball hat and take classes without anyone asking questions or thinking anything is wrong. Just collecting money. If I were you I would be more worried about the commercial schools which teach anyone who can pay these type of skills which are very deadly.
That is a good point, thank you for your answers.
Regards
Christian
That is a good point, thank you for your answers.
Regards
Christian
wollte gerade das gleiche zitat ausschneiden und sagen...
"wo er recht hat, hat er recht!!"
gruss.
Wenn alles stimmt, was er schreibt, scheint er wie mars schon sagt , sehr "open-minded" zu sein, bin auf jeden fall über die ausführlichkeit seiner antwort überrascht, dafür möcht ich mich bedanken. :yeaha:
ist auf jeden fall ein super thema !!
jkdberlin
15-04-2005, 07:55
Dear Ustaz Hussein
So everybody was shooting questions right away ro I like to welcome you on this Forum and thank you for taking your time to answer our questions.
Greetings
Dear Ustaz Hussein
So everybody was shooting questions right away ro I like to welcome you on this Forum and thank you for taking your time to answer our questions.
Greetings
Sorry. Same from my side.
So everybody was shooting questions right away ro I like to welcome you on this Forum and thank you for taking your time to answer our questions.
Yes, same from me.
Thank you very much for answering so straight forward. Your answers are very reasonable and make good points.
Yes, I do abhor the acts of the Russian Army in Chechnya just as much as I abhor the acts of the terrorists in Beslan. This war was insane before it even began and both sides are guilty of acts of horror. All in all I am not to judge about rightousness in this case.
Though, I do believe in some values and one of them being the strict separation of religion, politics and sports. In the history of my country Germany there simply has been too much misuse of mixing these all up. For me that remains one reason to be suspicious about an "Islamic Warrior Culture" where those aspects mingle. Please, don't misunderstand me as trying to downgrade you, your concept simply is very new and strange to me and I am trying to make an approach.
All the best!
Marlon
Calfbite
15-04-2005, 11:50
Für manchen Menschen gehören vermutlich Staat und Religion genauso zusammen, wie sie für manch anderen getrennt gehören.
Naja, das Video zeigt ein paar sehr...interessante Techniken. Aber nix bedenklicheres als Sayoc oder so. Die Aufmachung des Videos und der homepage...naja...kulturell geprägt. Interessant.
Die Einstellung gegenüber Menschen, die kein Buch als Grundlage ihres Glaubens vorweisen können, fänd ich zwar auch interessant zu erfahren, aber eigentlich ist das wohl ne religiös/politische Diskussion.
Gruß
Die Einstellung gegenüber Menschen, die kein Buch als Grundlage ihres Glaubens vorweisen können, fänd ich zwar auch interessant zu erfahren, aber eigentlich ist das wohl ne religiös/politische Diskussion.
Gruß
DAS Buch (die sogenannten Buchreligionen sind Judentum, Christentum und Islam).
Calfbite
15-04-2005, 13:58
DAS Buch (die sogenannten Buchreligionen sind Judentum, Christentum und Islam).
jojo, und? Wieso legst du soviel wert auf DAS Buch? Von welchem Buch redest du?
Gruß
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
15-04-2005, 15:06
Ich hatte Wadenbeißers Frage eigentlich so verstanden, daß er wissen wollte was von Religionen gehalten wird die sich nicht auf das Buch beziehen (Naturreligionen etc.).
Grüße
Christian
Calfbite
15-04-2005, 15:24
Calf, Bibel.
Aha...gemäß Mars nimmt der Islam also Bezug auf die Bibel. Ich hab´s anders in Erinnerung, aber ich kann mich täuschen.
Gemeint hatte ich´s aber sowieso so, wie Christian das verstanden hat :)
Allerdings wird´s vermutlich gemäß der Sure von den Ungläubigen gehalten, die mir eben in´s lückenhafte gedächtnis rutschte.
Grüßle
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
15-04-2005, 15:36
Also ich habe mir das Video gerade noch mal angeguckt und ich muß sagen, ich mag die Musik.
Grüße
Christian
Also ich habe mir das Video gerade noch mal angeguckt und ich muß sagen, ich mag die Musik.
Grüße
Christian
Yes, this music is addictive.
Andreas Stockmann
15-04-2005, 16:31
schnell und erschreckend effektive Bewegungen...
CU
@all
Just for completeness` sake: the three "religions" of the book in accordance to the Islam are Christianity (Bible), Judaism (Talmud, altes Testament), and Islam (Koran).
@ Ustaz_Hussein
Thank you very much for taking your time and answering our questions. I am not sure if someone else allready asked this before, however, do you teach and educate people who are believers of a religion other than the three ones mentioned above? Do people who activley practise a religion which is neither the Islam, Christianity or Judaism visit you in order to learn about Muslim Warriors` arts and the islamic philosophy linked to it?
Guidance and protection to you and your beloved ones,
Steff.
Aha...gemäß Mars nimmt der Islam also Bezug auf die Bibel. Ich hab´s anders in Erinnerung, aber ich kann mich täuschen.
Gemeint hatte ich´s aber sowieso so, wie Christian das verstanden hat :)
Allerdings wird´s vermutlich gemäß der Sure von den Ungläubigen gehalten, die mir eben in´s lückenhafte gedächtnis rutschte.
Grüßle
Mir war schon klar, wie Du es gemeint hast (siehe meine zweite Frage an ihn, ist schließlich ideologisch relevant). Nur das Buch meint die fünf Bücher Mose (allgemein als Bibel bezeichnet). Und auf diese Bücher bezieht sich auch der Islam (Abraham wird auch als Urvater angesehen). Aber jetzt wir total offtopic.
For those who are not yet convinced that Silat Mubai and Ustaz Hussein are not about terrorists and close-mindedness read this quote by Ustaz Hussein which he posted on a thread concerning Krav Maga.
Salam Brother,
The Israeli Soldiers I have had the chance to meet were just like any other Soldiers, some were tuff and some were not. I don't think we can generalize that much and say they are not tuff, some are really tuff. I disagree alot with the policies of the Israeli govt and I totally support legitimate resistance against the occupation, but we have to be careful not to lump all Israelis into the same box just like others have to be careful not to lump all Muslims into the same box of "terrorists".
Calfbite
16-04-2005, 20:58
Mir war schon klar, wie Du es gemeint hast (siehe meine zweite Frage an ihn, ist schließlich ideologisch relevant). Nur das Buch meint die fünf Bücher Mose (allgemein als Bibel bezeichnet). Und auf diese Bücher bezieht sich auch der Islam (Abraham wird auch als Urvater angesehen). Aber jetzt wir total offtopic.
Also, offtopic ist es meiner Meinung nach schon von Beginn der Diskussion. Und die die fünf Bücher Mose werde allgemein als das alte Testament bezeichnet. Aber ich denke, dass is jetzt soweit alles klar.
Ja, was war denn jetzt eigentlich das topic?
Grüßle
Ustaz_Hussein
17-04-2005, 01:37
Salam/Hello everyone,
Sorry for my absence, I was a bit busy.
Question 1 from Steff:
"Just for completeness` sake: the three "religions" of the book in accordance to the Islam are Christianity (Bible), Judaism (Talmud, altes Testament), and Islam (Koran)."
Answer: Yes. The people of the book are the people of previous revalations who follow the scriptures you mentioned and the teachings of previous Prophets, peace be upon them, who taught before the Warrior Prophet Muhamad, peace and blessings be upon him.
Question 2:
"do you teach and educate people who are believers of a religion other than the three ones mentioned above? Do people who activley practise a religion which is neither the Islam, Christianity or Judaism visit you in order to learn about Muslim Warriors` arts"
Answer: Yes I do. I live in China with my wife and therefore most of the local people who train with me are not of the "people of the book". The only restriction I put is on atheists. I do not teach people who do not believe in God. This is not because they can not be good people but rather because they will be wasting their time and mine learning a system based on bringing the human being closer to God. Silat Mubai is an internal system more than an external one and everyone who has trained with me knows that I put more emphasis on human quality than on fighting skills. Combat skills can be built up over short and long term periods with almost any person, but internal good qualities are much harder to develop and maintain. The internal aspects of Silat Mubai are based on respect for the creator and our ultimate return to him through natural death or death under combat conditions.
So considering this, it is not possible for me to train someone who does not accept God as his sovereign and master. Even the title "Ustaz" means teacher, nothing else. In other arts like Filipino arts you see "Tuhon", this essentially means God or Deity. In a Muslim Fighting Art such a thing is impossible to fatom and unheard of for the reasons mentioned above. Establishing a relationship with God is the basis of most Silat systems in Indonesia and Malaysia as both of these are Muslim countries. And in Silat Mubai the internal component is even more necessary as the system is extremely violent and Military in nature so extreme care must be used to select correct candidates to study it.
Sombody's Question 1:
"why does religion and marial arts go together?"
Answer: As i mentioned earlier, in Asia the unification of Religion and Martial practice is as old as water. Even more so with the Muslim Figthing Arts. You are all Germans coming from a secular non-religious environment and you think this is incorrect. At the same time me as a Muslim caring about my religion I see it as completely irresponsible to teach a violent system of Fighting without a solid foundation of marality and chivalry to accompany it. This is the reason I am so much against things like Sayoc Kali. When you commercialize violence, box it up nicely and market it for cash to anyone able to pay you are manufacturing trouble for the society. Martial Arts were never meant for everybody, they were meant for a select few to grow and use. Training people without any internal system being the most important part of training is dangerous and counter productive. So when you see Islam and Silat together think of it in that perspective and turn CNN's terrorist broadcast off for a while. Contemplate the consequences of something like Sayoc Kali on the society when the info sooner or later gets transfered to people who will use it for evil.
I hope this explanation is sufficient. Please feel free to ask anymore questions you may have.
Ustaz Hussein
Ustaz_Hussein
17-04-2005, 01:57
Also ich habe mir das Video gerade noch mal angeguckt und ich muß sagen, ich mag die Musik.
Grüße
Christian
Salam/Hello Guro Christian,
I'm glad you like the music and thank you for inviting me to your forum to discuss these very important issues of terrorism and their links.
Also, thank you Guro Moritz for helping show that my direction is away from what is evil.
Take Care,
Ustaz Hussein
@u-Hussein
I welcome your aproach towards the moral side of martial arts. Also in our secular enviroment we enforce the importance, that a moral base should be already there before anyone learns skills that can hurt/ kill other people or do harm to our society.
It is a pity, that many martial arts teacher do neglect this important tradition (in all martial arts in every culture) for the sake of money, laziness or so called "rationalism."
One question concerning your system:
Is there a certain "centre" for the techniques or applications? (In some arts is it a set of postures or bodymovements, a certain weapon, a certain numbering system, etc.) Tell us a little about the technical side of it.
Greeting from bavaria to china
Thank you
Ustaz_Hussein
17-04-2005, 08:17
One question concerning your system:
Is there a certain "centre" for the techniques or applications? (In some arts is it a set of postures or bodymovements, a certain weapon, a certain numbering system, etc.) Tell us a little about the technical side of it.
Salam/Hello Guro Mars,
The Silat Mubai is divided into primary and secondary systems.
Primary Systems being
12 Qital Jurus - Emptyhand Jurus (fightingforms) with core techniques and principles that can adapt to weapons and change depending on environment. Includes 12 joint locking sets armed and unarmed with translations to gun, knife and other weapons. Locks are set into hard and soft, hard leading to killing and soft leading to capture and subdue.
7 Sikn Jurus - Knife combat forms using lethal and non-lethal technology with full translations to emptyhand usage and gunfighting. Locking is also used with this technology.
Mubai Moussarraa - The tactical groundfighting component using emptyhands with translations to knife work and gunfighting and multiple opponent work. Human Shielding is also a big feature in our groundfighting.
Mubai Rimah - Distance weapon technology which includes gunfighting and all handheld projectile weapons from grenades to chopsticks.
Secondary Systems include internal energy development exercises to develop human energy, in Chinese "Chi", as well as stickfighting, body conditioning, health and massage program.
These are the outer components of the system. The inner components include training and development of the Warrior mentaily, killing spirit, Chivalry and spiritual development.
Greetings from China to Germany my friend,
Ustaz Hussein
rooster23
17-04-2005, 11:20
Habe mir das Video jetzt ein paar mal angesehen und bin eigentlich begeistert.
Alles sehr durchdachte und relativ simple Bewegungen und sehr effektiv.
Einiges erinnert mich an das, was wir beim Bujinkan von Moshe Kastiel gelernt haben. Die Kontrolle des Gegners und die manchmal recht geradlinigen Bewegungen imponieren mir besonders.
Auch das eye gouging beim Clinch gefällt mir, hab ich auf der Thaing seite beim Technik download schon gesehen.
Kurz und gut, daß ist reine und reale Kriegskunst.
Bezüglich der doch recht penetranten Propaganda, muß man sagen o.k. wem das nicht passt und wer da nicht tolerant genug ist, läßt es halt sein. Jeder Meister hat das recht seine Kunst mit seinem Gedanken- und Kulturgut zu umgeben.
Zum Terrorismus muß man sagen, in der heutigen amerikanisierten Gesellschaft, wird im allgemeinen jeder des Terrorismus verdächtigt, der etwas tut was dem allgemeinen System der Kultur-, Nationen- und Religionszerstörung zur Schaffung des Einheitssklavensystems der orwellschen NWO Illusion zuwiderläuft.
Jeder Mensch der sich FREI äußert (FREI ist noch völlig ohne Wertung) ist dem System ein Feind und mit der Terrorismuskeule haben sie ein wirksames Instrument zur Unterdrückung jeglichen freien Geistes.
Es gibt aber eben Dinge die sind älter und wesentlich tiefer im Menschen verwurzelt als der Bushclan und ihre lächerliche "Demokratie" mit der die "neue Welt" die Völker der Erde überzieht.
Religion ist deshalb der Erzfeind der "neuen Welt" weil in der Religion Dinge gelehrt werden die über die rein materielle Existenz hinausgehen.
Kurz, wenn ich an ein Leben nach dem Tode glaube, bin ich evtl. bereit Dinge zu tun die über meine jämmerliche irdische Existenz hinausgehen ...
Die Todesdrohung und damit die permanente Angstüberreizung durch das system verliert damit ihren Schrecken und damit die Kontrolle durch das System. Religion nimmt mir die Angst.
Und genau das!!! ist wahre freiheit.
Davor haben sie panische Angst und deshalb wird jede freie Äußerung als Terrismus gebrandmarkt.
Diese Bereitschaft seinen eigenen Weg zu gehen auch über den Tod hinaus, ist eine Eigenschaft, welche in allen!!! kriegerischen Systemen verwurzelt ist.
Saddam Hussein hat mal gesagt: "Jeder hat das Recht sich mit den Mitteln zur Wehr zu setzen, die ihm zur Verfügung stehen."
Abschließend sei hier daran erinnert, daß es bisher nur ein! Land war, das als Test, 2 Atombomben auf ein darniederliegendes Volk abgeworfen hat mit dem Ausspruch "lucky strike", (lucky strike - glücklicher Schlag, war der erste Funkspruch des Bomberpiloten) welcher noch heute eine gleichnahmige Zigarettenmarke ziert, zusammen mit dem Spruch "it`s toasted" (sie sind gegrillt) und der japanischen Flagge!!!
Auch gibt es nur ein Land das weltweit tödliche Grippeviren verschickt, als logistischen Massenvernichtungstest!
Wenn ganz plötzlich eine tödliche Grippeepedemie ausbricht, sollte hier jeder wissen woher sie stammt.
Was ist nun Terrorismus??!!!
Gruß rooster23
Killer Joghurt
17-04-2005, 12:27
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@ Ustaz_Hussein
Thank you for your answers, Sir, please allow me to pose another question. I am just curious about the teaching conditions that a person like you faces in today`s China. Do you face any restrictions set by the government? Here in Germany, Fallun Gong (?) is quite pressent in the media and accuses the Chinese government and state military of different violent actions against them.
Without going into details on the F.G. topic, are you free to teach and practise your art, which is highly linked to the Islam? Did these conditions and your freedom to live and teach your religion change during the past couple of years?
Greetings,
Steff.
@Hussein:
Your techniques are very interesting and fast. Is your style a compilation of different styles of silat or is Silat Mubai an ancient form of Silat?
Ustaz_Hussein
18-04-2005, 01:23
@Hussein:
Your techniques are very interesting and fast. Is your style a compilation of different styles of silat or is Silat Mubai an ancient form of Silat?
Thank you for your question. Someone happened to ask me that same question a while ago so I will copy and paste the answer here.
1. What arts did you study prior to creating Silat Mubai?
Ans: I have had the pleasure of studying Silat Gayong, Pekiti Tirsia, Ninjitsu, Nigerian Wrestling and Japanese Jiu Jitsu.
2. If there are multiple arts you studied, which would you consider the foundation of Silat Mubai?
Ans: None. Silat Mubai is a creation born out of years of research into the Muslim Warrior Traditions. All the arts I have seen and studied have been important to me in understanding this game but nothing other than my research made the system what it is now. I have spent a very long time learning what makes a fighting system function and what doesn't. This "looking for" mentality and the practical experience which I was fortunate enough to have as a young man helped me very much in realizing physically the ideas I had come to understand mentally from the research I had done. Because of my situation when I was younger I also had the opportunity to practice many hours a day as I did not go to school until later in my life. This gave me the chance to acquire skill physically and develop myself mentally in a Martial way. So in conclusion, everything I saw and learned was important to my personal development but nothing can be considered the foundation of the system except my core research into the Muslim Warrior Arts and culture.
3. Since creating Silat Mubai, what arts (if any), have you integrated aspects of into your curriculum?
Ans: None. I don't "integrate" arts into Silat Mubai. I was against this from the beginning as all systems have a specific feel and touch, the concept of integration is like adding a chicken heart into a horse. If you take BJJ and train it part time with Kali and then some Karate and slap a label on it "Bakakado" you do not have a true "Nizam", a true system. All you have is a mish mash of other peoples hard work which you split into pieces and messed up. This is no way to start anything and is precisely the point where people make mistakes. If you look at any good innovation in business you will see something similar. If a company sees other companies have an excellent product they will not take pieces and re-build a replica from randomized pieces of the product from different firms. They collect the best points from each product they see and tell their engineers to design a new model that fits with their company requirements and is to the high level specification as to match or be better than the other companies products. The final priduct comes out as a part of that companies vision of what this product should look, feel and function like. A Martial system is no different.
No arts were integrated into Silat Mubai, rather, many excellent ideas from previous generations coupled with modern science and testing and re-testing helped to create the outer aspects of the system. The techniques came about this way, the jurus(forms) were created by myself, the energy drills were created from an idea. The pecahan (variations of technique) came through testing and practical experience in violent circumstances I had in my life and others had in theirs.
If I could say which Martial Traditions gave me the most ideas over the years, I would clearly say the Ottoman Turkish Traditions and the Malay Silat Traditions. Those two traditions in totality impacted me by far more than any one system of fighting I can produce off the top of my head. Like I stated before, ideas, innovation and practice, not parts of systems are what made Silat Mubai. I don't like the idea of putting systems together or even worse stealing other people's techniques, jurus, pecahan, drills or anything else. This is very low quality behaviour and shows a lack of respect for the system as well as a lack of creativity in the taker. Everyone of us moves in a different way and feels in a different way, no two applications or understandings will be precisely the same. We should nurture that personal understanding, work hard and make what we understand internally manifest itself externally. This will bring a new "system", not theft.
The inner aspects of the system like the Futawa (Chivalry) were handed down from generation to generation in a successive chain of practitioners back to the Warrior Prophet Muhamad (pbuh). Futawa can be found in many places in the Muslim world but one that had secured it and nurtured its practice was the traditional Tariqat (Sufi Orders) which developed over the years in the Islamic Empire. I am a Mujahid (Warrior) as well as a student of Tassawuf (Sufism) in the Tariqa Qadiri Rifai under Shaykh Taner Ansari of Tarsus, Turkey. So I had the opportunity to be heavily exposed to Chivalry and the traditional Muslim Warrior Culture and disciplines.
rooster23
18-04-2005, 09:36
Hallo Ustaz Hussein
First, sorry for my stupid english.
you say, that the turkish OTTOMAN Tradition give you the most ideas of martial arts.
my question, are you also involveld in the practice of old turkish ottoman freemasonry?
Did you know the turkish freemason Rudolf Freiherr von Sebottendorf and his great book "die geheimen Übungen der türkischen Freimaurer" ?
Is the old turkish ottoman tradition just alive, or died it complete out by the revolution of Kemal Atatürk?
did you wear a FEZ?
i`m very interested in old ottoman and sufi mysteries...
greatings rooster23
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
18-04-2005, 13:34
Hello Ustaz Hussein,
please don´t get me wrong on this, I hope this question is not inpolite or sounds offending because of my english.
As far as I understood you teach only a small circle of people, very selective and non comercial.
How does this go together with selling tapes of your stile?
Also I would like to repeat Steff´s question if you can freely teach a martial art that is so obviously effective like yours? Do you have some restrictions from the chinese state?
Kind regards
Christian
Ustaz_Hussein
18-04-2005, 15:40
Also I would like to repeat Steff´s question if you can freely teach a martial art that is so obviously effective like yours? Do you have some restrictions from the chinese state?
Kind regards
Christian[/QUOTE]
Salam/Hello,
Thanks for the questions. I will try to answer as best I can below.
Rooster: "What about freemasonry"
answer: Sir, I'm a Muslim and I have nothing to do with freemasonry in any way. As for Ataturk I will not even try to be nice or gentlemanly when I say this, I hope he is where he belongs, in hell. As for Sufism it is one of the traditional sciences of Islam and I' am lucky to have good teachers to rely on for learning it. If you have the chance study it with a traditional teacher and you will see many great things come from your practice. One word of warning, stay away from new age fake Sufis. Find a traditional teacher.
Guro Von Praun: "How does this go together with selling tapes of your style?"
answer: Remember I said I am selective not stingy. I love to teach and so I can not be a teacher without students. I make the videos with good quality information that people can see what the system is made of and what they can learn from me. This brings potential students to SMI. Some of the best and most loyal students I have are people who wondered on my website, bought a video, and became addicted to Silat Mubai. I have no problem using technology to advance my system but I will not make a video showing advanced tactics or a complete series with all the information for levels. I don't believe in this. What I show in the videos is basic information from a true Mlitary system of Silat and that is already much more effective combatives than 90% of what other people have in their entire systems and train for years. Plus the internal system is very different than what people are used to so they come and learn. All this would not be possible without the correct usage of technology to further my teaching ability. That is why I sell the videos, essentially to attract new quality students and support the main website maintenance costs.
Steff: "Are there any problems with the Chinese govt?"
ans: I live in China but in a rebel province called "Taiwan". It is a small island off the coast of southern China. Taiwan is a province of China but they have a semi-independent govt that always wants to break away from the mainland China but can not. The laws on the island for religious practice are very easy. I have never had a problem. As for training, the people respect me for my skills and position as a teacher. Teachers have very high position in Chinese society structure. There is no problem with that at all. If I was living on the mainland it would be more difficult for me.
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
18-04-2005, 16:31
Dear Ustaz Hussein,
thanks a lot for that honestly answer, again I hope that I dont have offended you.
I live in China but in a rebel province called "Taiwan"
I think that explains a lot. Again Thank you.
Kind Regards
Christian
@u-hussein
How is "inner energy" and the "agressive relaxiation" trained? Is it a kind of physical- mental trainingmethod like Chi Kung oder Yoga? Or is it more integrated into solo-/partner-practice? Or is it integrated part of certain combat-/ combtlike movements?
I know that many teachers donnot like to talk about this issue. So I leave this up to you. But I think this is interesting for other martial artists here on this board.
It is also often the hardest part of training to explain.
Thank you
Greetings to China (In Europe we prefere "Taiwan" to make a clear separation between the two political systems)
Ustaz_Hussein
19-04-2005, 15:33
Salam/Hello,
Guro Christian said: "thanks a lot for that honestly answer, again I hope that I dont have offended you."
Answer: No problem Sir. And you didn't offend me at all. I like to be open about what I do with people who are sincere and so far I think you and the other members here are very sincere people.
Mars Question 1: "How is "inner energy" and the "agressive relaxiation" trained? Is it a kind of physical- mental training method like Chi Kung oder Yoga? Or is it more integrated into solo-/partner-practice? Or is it integrated part of certain combat-/ combtlike movements?
Answer: Internal energy drills are solo exercises used to train the body on how to develop its natural energy and perfection of motion. Aggressive relaxation is the result of training these drills consistently over a long period of time. Essentially what you are doing is creating perfection in your natural combative body motion. After training for some months and years you will see your self being able to become extremely violent in action while being totally soft and relaxed in your movement. Internal energy drills are the link between the hard external silat techniques and the soft internal energy flow. These drills are a very unique aspect of our system and are extremely important for mastery of human combative movement. If you see the Silat Mubai Emptyhand Combatives Video 2 I show three simple internal energy drills. Visit the main site at www.mubai.cc and see the downloadable video preview to see some of it in video 2.
Question 2: "I know that many teachers do not like to talk about this issue. So I leave this up to you."
Answer: I am open about these things as I like to be frank and not play games. I don't hold information from people I think are sincere.
Mars said: "Greetings to China (In Europe we prefere "Taiwan" to make a clear separation between the two political systems)"
Answer: I've lived on this island long enough to know that it is no country, not by any standards. The politicians do just enough to keep their businesses in mainland China running and just enough to make the local people feel "free" of Beijing. Actually there is no important decision made here without taking the govt in Beijing into consideration. If there was, everyone would have a Taiwan passport and not a Taiwan China one. There is no real freedom from the mainland here, only imagined freedom, so until everyone is truly free I live in Taiwan, Rebelious Province of China.
Take care guys,
Ustaz Hussein
@u-hussein
Thank you for your answers. (Now we even learn something about china/ taiwan ;) ). I like your aproach towards the arts.
Greetings
rooster23
19-04-2005, 19:09
Dear Ustaz_Hussein
Thanks for your answer.
greetings to Taiwan
rooster23
Ustaz_Hussein
19-04-2005, 22:24
Salam/Hello,
I have a question for Guro Von Praun. Guro, what exactly is "Scherma Di Daga" as a blade art and what is the history and features of this system?
thanks,
Ustaz Hussein
dear mr. hussein,
it was and still is a great pleasure to read your postings,
also thank you and greetings
salam alaikum
d-nice
Salam/Hello,
I have a question for Guro Von Praun. Guro, what exactly is "Scherma Di Daga" as a blade art and what is the history and features of this system?
thanks,
Ustaz Hussein
I am not Christian, but I will answer for him: Scherma Di Daga is an Italian System of knifefighting. It includes military and civil traditions. Roberto Laura is the teacher of this art in Germany. Here his homepage: http://www.robertolaura.com/
You will see that Scherma di Daga (Fenching with the dagger/ knife) is part of more complex system (SAL). I also started to learn the first of the three military knifefighting-methods. It is quite different compared to Asian systems, but also helps on the other hand to understand more of your own art.
I am sure Roberto (who is also an user here in the forum) and Christian will give you more precise informations.
Greetings
PS: I cannot open the second empty hand video on your page.
Eskrima-Düsseldorf
20-04-2005, 06:58
Hello Ustaz Hussein,
like Mars said, it is an italian/european fighting system based largely on the use of the knife, but there are also different methods of stickfighting (Staff/walking stick/club), flexible weapons and empty hand.
Roots of this systems are
1) the military
2) the bourgeoisie (I lack a better english word for that "die bürgerlichen Schichten/das Bürgertum")
3) the underworld
I hope Roberto will write something for he is far better in explaining that matter than me.
I hope I could help you.
Regards
Christian
@Ustaz Hussein
For of all welcome in our martial arts forum! Scherma di daga basically is a wrong name. The system itself never used a name and has been only called knife ( italian: coltello ) or stick ( italian: bastone ).
The tradition goes back to 1350 and derives from italian thrust-fencing. Its flowering time has been about 1850, after the disarming of the middle- and south italian population throug the goverments of the italian states of that time.
Especially the south iatlian mob and criminal organisations like camorra, mafia and `ndragetha specialized the system(s) more an more on duelling. Most of the systems were "perfected" in prisons, where most of the criminals duelled and also trained together.
The main difference to asian martial arts is the high influence of the thrust instead of cutting or slashing. For sure there is cutting and slashing too, but we emphazise the thrust first and then the cut/ slash.
The system uses high and also very deep positions and kicking and jumping. In fact it is related to chritian and muslim fighting conceptes. It is important to know that especaially sicily has been colonized by muslim sailers, salesmen and warriors.
So the south italian systems have both, the aspect of christian and muslim fighting styles. The curriculum of the system is about this:
* Empty hands.
* Unarmed against pointed, edged and blunt weapons.
* Dagger fencing of the Masters of Arms.
* Venetian dagger fencing.
* Fencing with double daggers.
* North Italian knife fencing.
* Mid/South Italian knife fencing.
* Fencing with the falchion
* Fencing with the falchion combined with dagger
* Military dagger fencing.
* Fighting with the hatchet or axe.
* Fencing with the short stick or cudgel.
* Stick fencing (circa 90 cm.).
* Fencing with the long stick (Masters of Arms and Royal Italian Army).
* Stick fencing from Puglia and Sicily.
* Fencing with the double-end stick.
* Flexible weapons
Don`t see this as the correct succesion. It is just an overview on some of the methods of italian weaponry and empty hand-fighting.
My teacher, Maestro Antonio Merendoni, is learning since more then 25 years from former members of the so called "honorable society" ( mafia, camorra ... ) the south italian methods of knife-/ and stick-fighting.
He calles his system SAL ( Scherma dell Assalto del Lione; english: the fencing style of the rushing lion ). This name derives from an old italian fencing guard. Further the lion symbolizes the courage and the attitude which occurs while involved into a fight.
I hope my explanations are understandable: For sure they are only superficial, but unfortunately my english is limited.
Best wishes ...
Roberto Laura
Ustaz_Hussein
21-04-2005, 04:05
Salam/Hello,
Thanks for the excellent answers guys! This method is very interesting. When I was young a had a friend who had family members in the Italian Mafia and he told me about the blade handling skill of the Sicilian and Calabrian knife killers on many occassions. But I never thought that they had a system and training for it. Is there any way I could buy the Maestro's book? I would love to get an idea of an authentic European blade art as I have never had the opportunity to experience one in person. Next time I visit Germany I will have to check this one out and see it in person.
take care,
Ustaz Hussein
Ustaz_Hussein
21-04-2005, 05:25
Salam/Hello,
Another question for Maestro Roberto. Is there a method of Chivalry that follows in the art as part of it came from the Military and Aristocracy of Italy?
Thank you,
Ustaz Hussein
Salam/Hello,
Another question for Maestro Roberto. Is there a method of Chivalry that follows in the art as part of it came from the Military and Aristocracy of Italy?
Thank you,
Ustaz Hussein
Hello,
the whole system derives from chivalric! There is even a position/ guard in italian knife fighting ( a method from the region Puglia )called `the chivalric´ ( italian: la cavaleresca ).
The chivalric code of honor is also the founding code of honor of the `honorable societies´ and this way of thinking is found through the entire system/ methods.
It is important to know, that there are severall methods of knife-/ and stickfighting in italy, especially in middle- and south italy. Each region differs but the common principles remain the same.
The reason of differences depends on the circumstances like work, character of the population, phisical aspects and so on, the reason of similarity in principles depends on the fact that all the methods had their roots in the traditional italian thrust-fencing and the method of the bravi ( explanations below ) and are still using the honrable mental attitude of chivalric.
Their are even methods of swordmanship, the so called storta, coltallacio or squarcina ( italian: storta is like a falchion, coltallacio means big ugly knife and squarcina derives from squarciare, to slash somebody ), which never changed their tecnical aspects since end of the 16th century. This systems belonged to mercenaries called `i bravi´, the braves. This guys sold their skills to nobles and salesmen to protect their lives and to fight their duelles. This systems have their roots directly in chivalric and exist until today.
For sure today the original weapons are not used anymore. Instead they use `bolos´, walking-sticks or short sticks or cudgels and axes. Every italian sword and stick method derives from this chivalric systems and contains this well tried principles.
Best wishes
Roberto
Ustaz_Hussein
21-04-2005, 16:24
Hello Maestro Roberto,
Thank you for your excellent response. Is it possible for me to order your instructor's book online in English, German or French? I saw the Italian site but was unable to figure out the ordering process as my Italian is terrible and close to non-existent.
Thank you,
Ustaz Hussein
Hello Maestro Roberto,
Thank you for your excellent response. Is it possible for me to order your instructor's book online in English, German or French? I saw the Italian site but was unable to figure out the ordering process as my Italian is terrible and close to non-existent.
Thank you,
Ustaz Hussein
Hello,
unfortunately the book L`Arte Italiana del Maneggio delle Lame Corte dal 1350 al 1850 ( the italian art of the handling of short blades from 1350 to 1850 ) is only available in italian language. For sure it is already translated into german, but not published yet.
As soon as it appears officialy in german language I will let you know. Maybe you can send me your email-account, so I can inform you. Just send it to serrada@web.de.
Roberto
Mr.Fister
21-05-2008, 18:49
es gibt von u. hussein einige neue clips auf youtube zu bewundern:
YouTube - UstazSilat's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/UstazSilat)
es gibt von u. hussein einige neue clips auf youtube zu bewundern:
YouTube - UstazSilat's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/UstazSilat)
ich finde die sachen aus dem alten Clip nach wie vor gut - unabhängig seiner wie-auch-immer gearteten politischen einstellung.
Der neue clip st allerdings kein Beispiel für einen talentierten Schüler, bzw. talentierten Lehrer - da klappt hinten und vorne nichts, und es wird immer mehr draufgepackt, statt zu wiederholen.:rolleyes:
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