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  1. #61
    DieKlette Gast

    Standard Shudokan - ryu

    Hy weudl,
    nein, der Stil heißt immer noch Shudokan. Doshinkan ist die Abwandlung einer seiner Schüler.

    Aber Du hast recht. Der Stil wurde von Toyama Kanken gegründet. Hier mal ein paar Infos von www.Shudokan.com :


    History of Toyama Kanken (1888-1966)

    Kanken Toyama, the late great martial arts grandmaster, was born in Shuri, Okinawa the 21st year of Meiji on 24 September, 1888. His given name was Kanken Oyadamari and he born into a noble family.

    Toyama Kanken began his formal training in karate-do under Master Itarashiki in 1897. Later, he apprenticed himself to Anko Itosu, who then became his primary teacher and inspirational guide. He continued studying under Itosu until the master's death in 1915.

    A school teacher by profession, Toyama's chosen field was the instruction of karate-do. In 1907 Toyama was named Shihandai (assistant) to Itosu at the Okinawa Teacher's College in Shuri City, and in 1914 he held a high office at the Shuri First Elementary School. Toyama was one of only two students to be granted the title of Shihanshi (protege); Funakoshi Ginchin was the other to receive this title from Itosu.

    In 1924 Toyama Kanken moved his family to Taiwan where he taught elementary school and studied related systems of Chinese Ch'uan Fa ( kempo/kwan-bop ), which included Taku (Hakuda in Japanese language ), Makaitan, Rutaobai, and Ubo. Taku is one of central China's Hotsupu (northern school) Ch'uan Fa and is further classified as Neikung Ch'uan Fa (Shorei Kempo), that is, an internal method. Makaitan and Rutaobai, which the techniques of nukite (spear hand) came, and Ubo, all belong to the Nampa (southern school) Ch'uan Fa and are external methods or Waikung Ch'uan Fa (Shorei Kempo). These later three styles hail primarily from Taiwan and Fukuden, China. Toyama sensei was also known to have studied and taught Tai Chi Ch'uan Fa. Koyasu sensei studied t'ai chi from Toyama.

    Early in 1930 Toyama moved again from Taiwan to mainland Japan and on 20 March 1930 he opened his first dojo in Tokyo. He called his dojo Shu Do Kan meaning "The Hall for the Study of the Way" (in this case the karate-way). Toyama sensei did not claim to originate a new style, system or school of thought, nor did he combine the different styles he had learned. Those who studied under him basically learned basically Itosu's Shorin Ryu and the related ch'uan fa.

    Toyama Kanken, now a Dai Shihan, founded the All Japan Karate-Do Federation (AJKF) in 1946. There is some evidence that the AJKF actually got its start in 1930's, however the federation did not evolve into full fledged organization until it was officially documented and sanctioned in 1946. By establishing an organization such as the AJKF, Toyama's intention was to unify the karates of Japan and Okinawa into one governing organization, providing a forum for the exchange of ideas and technique. The federation became an authority for rank homologation and advancement issuing rank certification, and also created a forum for competition. This competition group later pioneered full contact sparring which used modified ken-do protective equipment (bogu). The AJKF was successful in attracting importantly outside notable people such as Dr. Tsuyoshi Chitose, the founder of Chito Ryu Karate-Do. Dr. Chitose served in several senior positions in the federation including president and vice-president.

    Toyama's specialties in karate-do were strong gripping methods (Useishi No Kata and the Aku Ryoku Ho) of Itosu and Itarashiki and similar Chinese methods of finger and hand strengthening. He was the author of books Karate-do Taihokan and Karate-do. In 1949 Toyama was awarded a special title of honor by the Governor of Okinawa, Mr. Shikioku Koshin. Aside from learning Shorin-Ryu from Itosu, Toyama studied and mastered other styles of karate from other notable masters of Naha-te and Tomari-te which also included Okinawan Kobu-do. A few of his other teachers were Aragaki, Azato, Chibana, Oshiro, Tana, and Yabu.

    It is also thought that when the Korean (Ch'uan fa) master, Yoon Byung-In came to train at his gymnasium, he also studied Northern Manchurian Kwan-bop with him. It is alleged that Toyama Kanken said that he and Yoon Byung-In should share techniques. Later Yoon Byung-In returned to Korea as a shihan of the Shudokan and taught that style there.

    Although Toyama Kanken produced many capable instructors trained in his Shudokan style, he really did not view the Shu Do Kan as a style of karate-do, merely a place for training. Consequently, he did appoint a successor or Shudokan style head to succeed him and as a result the Toyama system fragmented after his death in 1966.

    Master Onishi, a senior student, founded Koei Kan Ryu in 1952. Because of political differences in the national Japanese politics, Toyama gave him permission and full blessing to proceed on his own. Why he did this is not clear as he departed long before his teacher died and was apparently deprived of a very close relationship with Toyama.

    After Toyama sensei's death other senior students established their own styles: Toshi Hanaue maintained the original Shu Do Kan; Ichikawa Iso founded Do Shin Kan Ryu (The Heart of the Way Style) in 1969; Michio Koyasu founded Soryu (The All or Complete Style) in 1967. Another notable student was Byong In Yoon- the only Korean listed in Toyama's book, the 1959 "AJKF/ Shu Do Kan register" as a 5th Dan Shihan located in Toyama's book. Byong In Yoon disappeared during the Korean war in the 1950's only to resurface in North Korea in 1995's. Two of his students went on to found two of Korea's most important Kwans. Lee Nam-suk founded the Chungmukwon (Hall for the Propagation of Military Training) and Park Chull-hee founded the Kang Duk Kwon (Training Hall for the Teaching of Virtue).

    Unter www.Shudokan.de kannst Du auch noch Infos finden. Mein Sensei kommt übrigens auch aus diesem Dojo. Er war aber auch längere Zeit in Amerika und hat dort trainiert. Bei wem fällt mir jetzt konkret nicht ein.

    Mit Respekt

    Oss

    Julian
    Geändert von DieKlette (19-07-2002 um 21:47 Uhr)

  2. #62
    weudl Gast

    Standard

    Hi Julian,

    ist Dir bekannt, auf welche japanische Wurzel das Karate Deines Senseis zurückgeht? Ich weiß nur, dass Ishikawa in den 60er Jahren nach Wien gekommen ist, und dass sein Karate zu der Zeit noch Shudokan geheißen hat. Er hat außerdem Zweifgstellen in den USA und in Mexiko.

    Gerüchten zu Folge soll dann ein schlauer "Dojomanager" den Namen des Stiles als Namen seines Dojos (in dem Ishikawa unterrichtet hatte) urheberrechtlich schützen haben lassen, worauf sich Ishikawa einen neuen Namen für sein Karate suchen hat. Frühe Schüler Ishikawas nennen ihr Karate allerdings bis heute auch hier noch Shudokan. Einige sollen sich von Ishikawa getrennt haben, da er begonnen hat, sein Karate immer mehr von den Wurzeln zu entfernen. Er soll die Kata verändert haben und die Kumiteübungen waren, sagen wir mal etwas "eigenwillig".

  3. #63
    DieKlette Gast

    Standard Da müsste ich nachfragen...

    Hy weudl,
    ich meine das unsere Stilrichtung exakt die ist, die Toyama Kanken ausgeübt hat.

    Es könnte sogar sein, dass mein Sensei direkt bei Ishikawa in den USA gelernt hat.

    Da müsste ich aber nochmal genau nachfragen. Nur leider ist mein Sensei gerade m Urlaub.

    Mit Respekt

    Oss

    Julian

  4. #64
    Alanah Gast

    Standard

    moinsen

    hier scheint es sich allem anschein nach um einen shotokan-thread zu handeln es gibt doch noch viele andere karate-stile (gojo-ryu, wado-ryu, u.a. ), welche sich v.a. durch höhere stände und grössere flexibilität in der grundschule wie auch in kata/kumite auszeichnen (indem z.b. ähnlich wie im aikido die kraft des gegners umgelenkt wird).

    oft wird bis zur grenze der körperlichen leistungsfähigkeit trainiert. je nach körperkonstitution führt dies zu abnutzungserscheinungen - ein für mich wichtiges ziel ist es, dass ich auch noch im hohen alter karate trainieren kann.

    und um wieder zurück auf das thema zu kommen: für mich bedeutet karate sowohl eine äussere wie auch innere schulung meiner selbst - ein weg ohne ende...

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