Ich denke das Thema ist auch etwas komplexer. Vor etwa einer Woche wurde auf FB in div. Karategruppen ein Clip von Chuck Merriman (10.Dan Jundokan) gepostet, in dem er in etwa sagt, dass auf dem Weg von Japan sovielverlorengegangen ist etc. etc. Bekam nur Zustimmung und Likes von den Kommentatoren.



Und da haben wir den Teufelskreis. IMA/CMA Leute sagen das Gleiche über Okinawa Karate. Okinawa Leute über japanisches Karate. Die JKA über WKF Karate etc. etc.

Ich denke so einfach ist das nicht immer, da die jeweiligen Ausprägungen nicht einfach nur eine schlechte Kopie des Vorgängers sind (na vielleicht manchmal doch). Wenn man als Okinawa Lehrer dann natürlich in Anspruch nimmt, im Prinzip authentisches Fujian Boxing zu unterrichten, muss man sich auch an chinesischen Lehrern mesen lassen. Ansonsten halte ich diese Vergleiche nicht immer für zielführend.

Auf das FB Video hatte ich das hier geantwortet (kata Änderungen werden auch angeschnitten und sogar die aktuelle Diskussion hier, noch bevor sie geschehen ist ):

Zitat Zitat von FireFlea
I personally know exponents of chinese IMA who switched from Okinawan Karate to IMA and tell me exactly the same (eg. okinawan Karate is a changed and defanged version of chinese martial arts). I guess you won't agree. And okinawan masters saying it about other okinawan masters (eg. Itosu Karate is a watered down version for school boys and mass education). I bet Shorin Ryu exponents won't agree. And also okinawan masters saying it about their peers (eg. Yuchoku Higa about other students of Choshin Chibana as mentioned in Marc Bishops book). Big scale tournament organizations might of course pose a problem but the points mentioned in the video are not in general problems of Japan vs. Okinawa. Funakoshi, Mabuni, Ohtsuka, Oyama and other japanese pioneers created systems with rich content (and none of them with a focus on tournament Karate). Change always occured and people devised new methods, which is not a problem per se in my opinion. The rest is also becoming true for okinawan Karate, isn't it? It's not longer a small group of practitioners on a small island who know each other but we talk about international organizations with thousands of students and an okinawan government and okinawan teachers who do their best to promote Karate as a tourist attraction and invite people to come to Okinawa for the 'Karate experience'. And there also changes seem to take place because of tournaments - on Jesse Enkamps channel you can see a clip of an okinawan Uechi Ryu 'younger male' kata champion, that looks quite different from older versions of okinawan Uechi Ryu exponents. I also take the fight to the death stories with a grain of salt. Karate history beyond the last 150y is sketchy at best and how many of the well known Karate masters actually killed someone? I bet we would know their story, if they actually did (we all heard, that Motobu was a rough fighter and Kyan Chotoku killed someone in an ambush situation, but who knows of actual fights to the death on a regular base? Wouldn't this person be really well known like eg. Miyamoto Musashi is?) And even if, this will only bring us so far, if we don't experience our own fighting situations ourselves. There are for sure problems with tournament Karate and I'm also critizice it quite often. But this is not a problem of Okinawa vs. Japan in my opinion but more if you are able to find a good teacher or not. Maybe it might be easier to find one on Okinawa